# I pit idiotic liberals who encourage children to commit felonies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098 "2014-12-24T15:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/21 "2014-12-25T01:12:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Me either. nope ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/22 "2014-12-25T01:56:41Z")
Looks like it’s going to be a Crazy Croatian Christmas! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/23 "2014-12-25T02:32:21Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I had never heard of Rejina Sincic before today. She’s an anti-gun activist who has come up with quite possibly the most incredibly stupid gun-related idea ever. She released a PSA on Youtube, aimed at schoolchildren, which she evidently thinks will reduce gun violence. > > I sincerely hope that no child follows her advice. Her video tells children that if they have a gun in their household, they should turn it in–not to the police–that would be bad enough–but, believe it or not, **to their school teacher!!!** A couple of comments: First, it’s totally possible that some kid will watch the video and think it’s offering that advice. Kids are often real dumb. Second, it does not remotely appear to be aimed at schoolchildren. The text in the ad says, “Our children deserve a safe world / Stop gun violence now.” Where are you getting the idea that it’s aimed at kids from? The entire narrative of the PSA is that you think for the first part that this is another crazy white boy getting ready to shoot up people at his school: you’re supposed to be scared of the teenager, and then in the end impressed by his responsibility. Third, the PSA is real dumb to think you’ll be impressed by his responsibility. This kid was not responsible. Fourth, it’s a lie to say that “her video tells children that if they have a gun in their household, they should turn it in . . .to their school teacher.” It does not offer advice at all. From my watching, the video is aimed at parents, trying to make them appalled at how easily a teenager has access to guns, and then to make them feel guilty at how unsafe the guns make kids feel. That’s a . . . problematic approach, to say the least. And it’s executed in a spectacularly unwise fashion. But it’s absurd to suggest that it’s aimed at kids, or that it offers advice to kids. And if she would bear responsibility for some kid who takes her advice (which, come off it, no kid would, even if they’re dumb enough to think it was advice in the first place), then there are a helluva lot of video games that bear responsibility for Columbine. That shit don’t fly in either direction. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/24 "2014-12-25T03:49:22Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > If your children have that kind of easy access to your guns, you shouldn’t have access to guns. > > CMC fnord! Amusing this didn’t occur to the OP at all. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/25 "2014-12-25T06:18:32Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > If your children have that kind of easy access to your guns, you shouldn’t have access to guns. > > CMC fnord! > [@Sitnam](#): > > Amusing this didn’t occur to the OP at all. I am of the old-fashioned opinion that children both can and should be taught (a) to obey, and (b) to be responsible. I would have no qualms whatsoever leaving a gun within easy access of a well-trained child, because such a child by definition would not handle it without adult supervision. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/26 "2014-12-25T06:32:16Z")
In all fairness, the teachers probably need the guns. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/27 "2014-12-25T06:44:44Z")
There’s like eight kids in that class? That’s amazing! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/28 "2014-12-25T06:45:20Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > In all fairness, the teachers probably need the guns. Considering what some of my teachers were like, that’s a scary thought. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/29 "2014-12-25T13:42:26Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Rush Limbaugh thinks Idris Elba shouldn’t be allowed to play James Bond. > > Ha ha, conservatives are so fucking stupid. He’s right. In what world does a Baltimore drug kingpin become the first choice to be a British secret agent??? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/30 "2014-12-25T14:07:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > God, I sure hope you _are_. Almost certainly not. But thanks for the Christmas cheer, Mr. Sunshine. Every time a gunshot rings, **Shodan** gets his wings! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/31 "2014-12-25T14:40:40Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I am of the old-fashioned opinion that children both can and should be taught (a) to obey, and (b) to be responsible. I would have no qualms whatsoever leaving a gun within easy access of a well-trained child, because such a child by definition would not handle it without adult supervision. But how do you know whether he’s that well-trained until you put him into the actual situation and see what happens? And if you’re wrong about his level of being trained, tragic consequences can ensue. Isn’t better to not lay the responsibility to avert a tragedy on the child’s judgement, but instead to rely on the adult’s ability to be responsible? I am of the old fashioned opinion that children are still still children and can be expected and asked to obey, but adults cannot expect perfect obedience and ultimately take responsibility of potentially dangerous situations. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/32 "2014-12-25T15:10:40Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I am of the old-fashioned opinion that children both can and should be taught (a) to obey, and (b) to be responsible. I would have no qualms whatsoever leaving a gun within easy access of a well-trained child, because such a child by definition would not handle it without adult supervision. I love this! Pure conservative categorical thinking. Just like my brother’s backup plan if the family was to get separated at Disneyland: “Just don’t get separated!” A well trained child, by definition, will never make a bad decision. No Eddie Eagle graduates have ever done anything stupid with a gun. Hell, no gun instructors have ever shot themselves in the foot while instructing a class. No gun range instructors have given a child a weapon they shouldn’t have on the range. Thanks for the gift this morning. Sorry I didn’t get you anything. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/33 "2014-12-25T15:15:43Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I love this! Pure conservative categorical thinking. Just like my brother’s backup plan if the family was to get separated at Disneyland: “Just don’t get separated!” > > A well trained child, by definition, will never make a bad decision. No Eddie Eagle graduates have ever done anything stupid with a gun. Hell, no gun instructors have ever shot themselves in the foot while instructing a class. No gun range instructors have given a child a weapon they shouldn’t have on the range. > > Thanks for the gift this morning. Sorry I didn’t get you anything. The value that you added to this thread was a gift to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/34 "2014-12-25T15:50:19Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > The value that you added to this thread was a gift to everyone. Oh, Scummy! You say the nicest things! Merry Christmas, douchefuck. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/35 "2014-12-25T16:07:37Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I would have no qualms whatsoever leaving a gun within easy access of a well-trained child, because such a child by definition would not handle it without adult supervision. This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read in a long time. I grew up with guns and was taught how to properly handle them from an early age, and I still nearly shot a friend because of a momentary safety lapse. My brother gave his best friend’s teen son (also well-trained in firearms for a number of years) a pistol for Christmas one year, and the boy ended up being killed with the gun through improper handling. Children’s brains are not developed enough to make consistently good decisions. Hell, there are _adults_ who end up shooting or killing themselves every year because of stupid mistakes. Given your attitude, you should not be allowed to procreate. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/36 "2014-12-25T16:14:54Z")
Is there any evidence that any child has taken this seriously? The reason I ask this, in all seriousness, is that a local news story, from a little over ten days ago, tells about a first grader who brought a loaded gun to school and reported it to his teacher. How he got the gun, or why he did this, has not been mentioned yet. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/37 "2014-12-25T16:31:19Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > A well trained child, by definition, will never make a bad decision. No Eddie Eagle graduates have ever done anything stupid with a gun. Hell, no gun instructors have ever shot themselves in the foot while instructing a class. No gun range instructors have given a child a weapon they shouldn’t have on the range. And since guns are used for defense it makes them immune from being stolen and used in other crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/38 "2014-12-25T16:50:37Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > And since guns are used for defense it makes them immune from being stolen and used in other crimes. How in the world could a _defensive_ weapon be used in a crime? Don’t they just throw up force fields or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/39 "2014-12-25T16:57:54Z")
\Liberalsssss…LIBERALSSSSSS!\, you have to \hiss\ when you say it! Just like Dick Cheney! If you \don’t\, Sarah Palin will call you a RINO! ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098/40 "2014-12-25T17:20:02Z")
Children and teens really shouldn’t have access for guns simply because being suicidal is a mental illness and you can’t “train” a person not to be mentally ill. And the more mature and reasonable a kid is, the better he’s gonna be at concealing soul crushing depression. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-idiotic-liberals-who-encourage-children-to-commit-felonies/708098.md?page=3)