# I pit inexperienced Presidents who don't know what they are doing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042 "2013-11-04T07:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/181 "2013-11-06T19:53:08Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Did you search under his secret Muslim Kenyan birth name? That would be “Heywood Jablome.” Google it. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/182 "2013-11-07T00:15:55Z")
For those who just assume that the problems with the IT systems will be resolved, assume nothing: > **[NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system](https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-pulls-the-plug-on-its-ps11bn-it-system-2330906.html)** > > After nine years and with billions already spent, doomed computer system is abandoned > [@](#): > > ``` > A plan to create the world’s largest single civilian computer system linking all parts of the National Health Service is to be abandoned by the Government after running up billions of pounds in bills. Ministers are expected to announce next month that they are scrapping a central part of the much-delayed and hugely controversial 10-year National Programme for IT. > > Instead, local health trusts and hospitals will be allowed to develop or buy individual computer systems to suit their needs – with a much smaller central server capable of “interrogating” them to provide centralised information on patient care. News of the Government’s plans comes as a damning report from a cross-party committee of MPs concludes that the £11.4bn programme had proved “beyond the capacity of the Department of Health to deliver”. > > The Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC) said that, while the intention of creating a centralised database of electronic patient records was a “worthwhile aim”, a huge amount of money had been wasted. > > “The department has been unable to demonstrate what benefits have been delivered from the £2.7bn spent on the project so far,” Margaret Hodge, chair of the PAC, said. “It should now urgently review whether it is worth continuing with the remaining elements of the care-records system. The £4.3bn which the department expects to spend might be better used to buy systems that are proven to work, that are good value for money and which deliver demonstrable benefits to the NHS.” A further £4.4bn was expected to be spent on other areas of the vast IT project. > > ``` CMS\> NHS? I wouldn’t count on it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/183 "2013-11-07T00:42:58Z")
Really? So that’s what’s happening, huh? Wow! That is so…so…_English_! ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/184 "2013-11-07T15:24:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > For those who just assume that the problems with the IT systems will be resolved, assume nothing: > > [NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-pulls-the-plug-on-its-11bn-it-system-2330906.html) > > CMS\> NHS? I wouldn’t count on it. So obviously it can’t be done… One event - one outcome approximates all events-all outcomes ie The Titanic sank, so don’t count on your boat staying afloat ! Damn you’re a sharp one Ads. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/185 "2013-11-07T15:35:01Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, OK, but did he promise you could keep your current health insurance plan? My newt-back-to-human coverage was in my old policy that was cancelled because of ACA :mad: ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/186 "2013-11-07T17:07:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …[P]art of me, my dark side, likes being right… So you think liking being right is part of your “dark side”? Guess we’ve finally been told the reason you put so much effort into being wrong so often. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/187 "2013-11-07T17:16:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > For those who just assume that the problems with the IT systems will be resolved, assume nothing: > > [NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-pulls-the-plug-on-its-11bn-it-system-2330906.html) > > CMS\> NHS? I wouldn’t count on it. Hold on a mo - doesn’t this argument at least partially work against the argument you used in the OP? I mean, if you’re arguing here (or citing an argument) that making a massive health computer system of this type is an inherently difficult and hard thing to do which can result in huge problems, that we shouldn’t assume that massive-scale IT projects could be resolved quickly or easily or at all, doesn’t that work against an argument that the failures of the US’s health website are down to Obama’s poor delegating choices and inexperience? For Obama to have been a problem here, the logical point must be that an experienced or wiser President would have not allowed such problems to arise, or to such an extent. But if these are problems which happen\* anyway\*, because of the nature of what’s being created, then doesn’t that weaken that position? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/188 "2013-11-07T22:11:32Z")
I’m reminded of Capt. Kirk stumping a computer with a logical conundrum. Let’s get adaher to the transporter room, stat! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/189 "2013-11-07T23:02:33Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’m reminded of Capt. Kirk stumping a computer with a logical conundrum. > > Let’s get adaher to the transporter room, stat! You misspelled “airlock.” ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/190 "2013-11-08T00:32:35Z")
I guess you’re partially right about Obama’s inexperience in some respects Adaher. Bet he’d never dreamed he’d have to work with [fucktards](http://www.mainstreet.com/article/family/family-health/obamacare-gag-orders?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO) like this, actively sabotaging the ACA. Seems your crew’s philosophy is “Screw the people and families this would help in providing _ **cheaper** _, more comprehensive coverage, this is politics!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/192 "2013-11-08T04:20:17Z")
What’s this, Whack-A-Moron? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/193 "2013-11-08T11:22:07Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > Bet he’d never dreamed he’d have to work with [fucktards](http://www.mainstreet.com/article/family/family-health/obamacare-gag-orders?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO) like this, actively sabotaging the ACA. > > Seems your crew’s philosophy is “Screw the people and families this would help in providing _ **cheaper** _, more comprehensive coverage, this is politics!” The active sabotage of Obamacare by elected Republicans is so vicious and anti-American one wonders at the depths of ignorance that allow voters to ignore or tolerate it. One wishes the “left-wing media” (ha! ha!) would expose Republican sabotage and hypocrisy. Let’s start at SDMB. Would any of the fucktards here (you know who you are!) care to defend such sabotage? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/194 "2013-11-08T11:57:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Let’s start at SDMB. Would any of the fucktards here (you know who you are!) care to defend such sabotage? Not to defend the Republican position but you’re less likely to get a constructive response when the implied direction is “Speak up if you’re a fucktard”. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/195 "2013-11-08T12:02:15Z")
How have Republicans sabotaged ACA? It’s one of those things that is often said, but it’s actually mindbogglingly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/196 "2013-11-08T12:16:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The active sabotage of Obamacare by elected Republicans is so vicious and anti-American one wonders at the depths of ignorance that allow voters to ignore or tolerate it. > > One wishes the “left-wing media” (ha! ha!) would expose Republican sabotage and hypocrisy. > > Let’s start at SDMB. Would any of the fucktards here (you know who you are!) care to defend such sabotage? > [@Gyrate](#): > > Not to defend the Republican position but you’re less likely to get a constructive response when the implied direction is “Speak up if you’re a fucktard”. > [@adaher](#): > > How have Republicans sabotaged ACA? It’s one of those things that is often said, but it’s actually mindbogglingly stupid. And the fucktard spoke up. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/197 "2013-11-08T12:28:10Z")
You’re sabotaging me by not agreeing with me! It’s all your fault whenever I’m wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/198 "2013-11-08T12:31:08Z")
And, of course, there’s the [DOS attack.](http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/new-denial-of-service-attack-aimed-directly-at-healthcare-gov/) ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/199 "2013-11-08T12:32:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How have Republicans sabotaged ACA? It’s one of those things that is often said, but it’s actually mindbogglingly stupid. It’s no more mind-bogglingly stupid than shutting down the government with no clue what your endgame is, yet the Republicans were quite capable of that\*. Or are you claiming that the accusation is mind-boggingly stupid, despite having been giving a link to an example? If you are, here’s a tip: You don’t need to work so damn hard at maintaining your ‘wrongest ever SDMB poster’ title. Even in the unlikely event of some steroid-ridden punk taking the title some day, you’ll still be remembered with awe. Just like Barry Bonds hasn’t displaced Babe Ruth from the collective consciousness of baseball fans. \*“We have to get something out of this. And I don’t even know what that is.” Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/200 "2013-11-08T12:46:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How have Republicans sabotaged ACA? It’s one of those things that is often said, but it’s actually mindbogglingly stupid. [Stupid](http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/new-denial-of-service-attack-aimed-directly-at-healthcare-gov/)? Of you ? To try and pretend otherwise? Why yes, yes it is. Some people should be going to jail for this bullshit. And YOU should stop with your lying, candy doesn’t melt in my mouth, support of everything GOP. Your party’s behavior sucks ADs, and your defense of it’s actions is shameful and ludicrous. But hey, I guess that makes it right up your alley, eh? ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/201 "2013-11-08T12:58:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You’re sabotaging me by not agreeing with me! It’s all your fault whenever I’m wrong! Naw ADs. Even without the board to share your “insights” with, you’d still wrong. There just wouldn’t be as many people participating in the "point and laugh reflex " you provoke. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=11)