# I pit inexperienced Presidents who don't know what they are doing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042 "2013-11-04T07:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/21 "2013-11-04T10:15:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Rather, “He speaks so well!” and “He’s so smart!” were the primary compliments given. Which is about as useful for the Presidency as Sarah Palin’s good looks. Being smart is not a useful attribute for a President? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/22 "2013-11-04T10:18:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And I’d note that when Americans elected Barack Obama, his experience or lack thereof was simply not a factor considered. Rather, “He speaks so well!” and “He’s so smart!” were the primary compliments given. Which is about as useful for the Presidency as Sarah Palin’s good looks. Yeah, who would want a smart President who communicates well? He did run one thing very well (even historically well)- a Presidential campaign (twice). And his was a billion-dollar enterprise. Your criticisms are weak. Yes, he’s not perfect… yes, he’s made mistakes- and the website is one of them. But it’s not that significant in the scheme of things. Certainly not even close to the mistakes of his former governor predecessor. It will get fixed, and the ACA will be fully implemented, and the new system will probably work pretty well. In five years, the website story will be a footnote. Looking back at past Presidents, prior experience as a governor seems to have very little to do with competence. Former governors: Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Carter- non former governors: Obama, Bush I, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy, Eisenhower. There’s no way the first group was better in management on average. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/23 "2013-11-04T10:22:58Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Being smart is not a useful attribute for a President? Not by itself, no. It takes more than smarts to learn how to run a large organization, and it can’t just be learned on the job. By the time Obama actually figures out what he’s doing, he’ll be giving his farewell speech. Bill Clinton was a really smart guy as well. His first term as governor of Arkansas was disastrous. Being smart, he learned from his mistakes. He also had something Obama doesn’t have: humility. His 2nd successful run for governor consisted mostly of apologizing to the voters and promising that he’d learned much. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/24 "2013-11-04T10:24:58Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Being smart is not a useful attribute for a President? It isn’t that necessary to OP this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/25 "2013-11-04T10:31:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I said if they did it WELL. Of course, there are other considerations, but relevant experience is necessary. …There are plenty of Governors, generals, VP’s, even cabinet members who have experience in managing large organizations, and doing this WELL, who would be disasters as President. > [@](#): > > Describing Obama as I described him is 100% accurate. “Every Saturday night, adaher puts on a red dress and pink panties and wanders the streets of Chicago.” Describing adaher as I described him is 100% accurate. > [@](#): > > These are facts we all agree on. Not these are not “facts” that we all agree on. What you stated was not fact. And I don’t agree. > [@](#): > > What we disagreed on in the 2008 election was whether it mattered. Obviously, we now know it did matter. But you, of course, are wrong, so it didn’t matter. > [@](#): > > The way you describe me is supposition based on what you know of me from an anoymous discussion board. Nope. I completely made it up. > [@](#): > > If I had been in the public eye and my biography known, you’d be much better able to assess my qualifications for office. Obama is in the public eye, his biography is known, and I can assess his qualifications for office. And based on all of that: my opinion is that your opinion is factually incorrect and misleading. > [@](#): > > Your last point seems to be a “who are we to question our betters?”-type argument. Not at all. You are trying to convince me that President Obama is inexperienced. Your cite showed that he made a decision: not that he was “inexperienced.” He made the sort of decision that Governors, generals, VP’s, even cabinet members make all the time. Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they get it wrong. > [@](#): > > I have no answer for that. And don’t think I particularly need one. And I think that you do. > [@](#): > > This pitting is intended for anyone who thinks experience is irrelevant, and yes, there are many conservatives eager to elevate some neophyte Republicans just because they have the “correct” views and because they “fight”, which apparently is more important than governing successfully. Experience is relevant. And Obama is experienced. He doesn’t have the sort of experience that you consider relevant: but why on earth should we care what you think? The United States of America has one of the most convoluted over the top extra extended systems of electing someone to run your country. The whole process lasts many months, involves many layered selection process, and it is in public and it is transparent. If you truly believe that Obama is a “career legislator and never ran anything in his life” and that this person is running the United States of America, then you are indicting the system that elected him and the people who did so. And that is who you should be pitting. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/26 "2013-11-04T10:35:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yeah, who would want a smart President who communicates well? > > He did run one thing very well (even historically well)- a Presidential campaign (twice). And his was a billion-dollar enterprise. That’s actually wrong. Candidates almost never run their campaigns. They are the products the campaigns are trying to sell. There’s a reason the Carvilles, Roves, and Axelrods of the world get so much glory: they are the brains and the organizers behind winning campaigns. > [@](#): > > Your criticisms are weak. Yes, he’s not perfect… yes, he’s made mistakes- and the website is one of them. But it’s not that significant in the scheme of things. Certainly not even close to the mistakes of his former governor predecessor. It will get fixed, and the ACA will be fully implemented, and the new system will probably work pretty well. In five years, the website story will be a footnote. My criticisms are now backed up by MSM stories revealing how dysfunctional this administration is. Not only does Obama not know how to run anything, he’s mostly appointed people who don’t know how to run anything. The website isn’t the only, or even the main, failure. The non-crazy predictions Republicans made are all coming true, and it was within the President’s power to prevent all of it, while still keeping the law intact. But there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that he was interested in implementation aside from the political aspects of it. > [@](#): > > Looking back at past Presidents, prior experience as a governor seems to have very little to do with competence. Former governors: Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Carter- non former governors: Obama, Bush I, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy, Eisenhower. There’s no way the first group was better in management on average. I didn’t say they had to be a governor, and I also said they had to have been good at what they did. The advantage of governors is that they don’t surprise much as Presidents. They tend to have all the same strengths and weaknesses. Clinton is the classic example. Nearly everything the man did as governor, he did as President. As for the non-governors: Bush 41: sterling resume before even becoming VP, which included running the CIA, then served 8 years as VP. Well qualified. Ford: Won’t judge him because he didn’t get a chance to do much, nor was he particularly interested in doing much. Which was to his credit. Men should know their capabilities. Nixon: 8 years as VP in a very functional, professional administration under one of the ablest leaders this country has ever had. LBJ: Successful at legislating. Spectacularly unsuccessful as an administrator. Epic fail as Commander-in-Chief. Kennedy: too short a time in office, but did have leadership experience in the military. Ike: well qualified for the Presidency. Obama is the least qualified person to be elected in our lifetimes. No one even comes close. The results speak for themselves. That being said, his legislative experience did result in bills being passed in his first two years, and for many of his supporters, that’s really all they wanted. Although they are finding out what happens when those poliices don’t get implemented correctly. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/27 "2013-11-04T10:42:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …There are plenty of Governors, generals, VP’s, even cabinet members who have experience in managing large organizations, and doing this WELL, who would be disasters as President. Sure. But not because they would fail to govern competently. Because they are lacking in other respects. > [@](#): > > “Every Saturday night, adaher puts on a red dress and pink panties and wanders the streets of Chicago.” Describing adaher as I described him is 100% accurate. If you believe Obama has experience, tell us what it is. > [@](#): > > Not these are not “facts” that we all agree on. What you stated was not fact. And I don’t agree. Then explain what experience you believe prepared Barack Obama to be President. > [@](#): > > Not at all. You are trying to convince me that President Obama is inexperienced. Your cite showed that he made a decision: not that he was “inexperienced.” He made the sort of decision that Governors, generals, VP’s, even cabinet members make all the time. Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they get it wrong. Really? Good governors, generals, cabinet members, choose political allies over competent professionals? I know BAD ones do, but to call this decision normal, or even to say it’s something someone with experience would do is just crazy. Even a bad President wouldn’t make that decision on something that was this damn important to him. Look, the decision to put his political team in charge of ACA implementation was bad, can we agree on that? Assuming we do, then why did he make such a bad decision? Because he’s stupid? or because he’s inexperienced? Your attitude, that it’s a decision anyone could have made, is just plain wrong. It’s so wrong because it’s what banana republics do with their military: instead of competent generals, the leaders pick political allies. Earlier in our country’s history, Presidents would reward political allies with an officer’s commission. That worked about as well as you’d expect in 90% of cases. The reason the military doesn’t have many of the same dysfunctions as government bureaucracies today is precisely because officers are no longer chosen for being close to the adminstration. Doing the same thing in the civilian bureaucracy produces the same results. And true to form, it did. BTW, the other things that the President failed to do was have a single person whose job was to get ACA working. Everyone had other priorities to worry about. That’s a basic management failure. > [@](#): > > Experience is relevant. And Obama is experienced. He doesn’t have the sort of experience that you consider relevant: but why on earth should we care what you think? The United States of America has one of the most convoluted over the top extra extended systems of electing someone to run your country. The whole process lasts many months, involves many layered selection process, and it is in public and it is transparent. If you truly believe that Obama is a “career legislator and never ran anything in his life” and that this person is running the United States of America, then you are indicting the system that elected him and the people who did so. And that is who you should be pitting. The system usually works. Obama is a first term junior Senator. JFK was also a junior Senator. Who was more qualified than Obama, having been a military officer with wartime experience. So you have to go back a LONG way to find someone less qualified than Obama. Are you saying there’s nothing the voters should learn from this? Just go ahead and elevate Liz Warren or Ted Cruz to the Presidency and we’ll be a-OK? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/28 "2013-11-04T10:44:41Z")
I think we have someone who is about to push Clothahump off the _Stupidest Doper_ throne. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/29 "2013-11-04T10:49:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s actually wrong. Candidates almost never run their campaigns. They are the products the campaigns are trying to sell. There’s a reason the Carvilles, Roves, and Axelrods of the world get so much glory: they are the brains and the organizers behind winning campaigns. Weak. The candidate runs the campaign in the same way the President runs the country. Which is to say that there’s a lot of delegation, but the man at the top makes the final decisions. > [@](#): > > My criticisms are now backed up by MSM stories revealing how dysfunctional this administration is. Not only does Obama not know how to run anything, he’s mostly appointed people who don’t know how to run anything. The website isn’t the only, or even the main, failure. The non-crazy predictions Republicans made are all coming true, and it was within the President’s power to prevent all of it, while still keeping the law intact. But there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that he was interested in implementation aside from the political aspects of it. Most of this is false, and the MSM stories behind it are exaggerations or simply don’t say what you think they say. You’re just mostly wrong, as usual. > [@](#): > > Obama is the least qualified person to be elected in our lifetimes. No one even comes close. The results speak for themselves. That being said, his legislative experience did result in bills being passed in his first two years, and for many of his supporters, that’s really all they wanted. Although they are finding out what happens when those poliices don’t get implemented correctly. Yes, the results speak for themselves- he’s mostly supported the same policies that Bill Clinton would have, and he’s gotten more done (chiefly the ACA). He’s also had stronger and even less-compromising opposition. So far I’m as pleased with Obama’s performance as I was with Clinton’s at a similar point- which is to say I have some quibbles, but he’s mostly done things that I support. Your criticisms are weak, silly, and mostly just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/30 "2013-11-04T10:50:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Are you saying there’s nothing the voters should learn from this? Just go ahead and elevate Liz Warren or Ted Cruz to the Presidency and we’ll be a-OK? Warren, yes- Cruz, no. Your analysis so far is terrible, and you’re wrong about nearly everything. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/31 "2013-11-04T10:59:17Z")
Warren and Cruz have equivalent experience. I understand why you’d prefer Warren, but what makes Warren better prepared to be President than Ted Cruz? Or Chris Christie? and do you really think Bill Clinton would have dropped the ball this badly on the implementation? Is there ANYTHING in Bill Clinton’s Presidential experience that demonstrates that he ever dropped the ball on an issue of basic governance? you seem to prefer legislative prowess, which I guess is fine. But I’m not questioning his legislative abilities. I’m questioning his executive abilities. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/32 "2013-11-04T11:05:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Warren, yes- Cruz, no. Your analysis so far is terrible, and you’re wrong about nearly everything. Ah, so appointing his political team to be in charge of the implementation was actually brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/33 "2013-11-04T11:07:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Warren and Cruz have equivalent experience. I understand why you’d prefer Warren, but what makes Warren better prepared to be President than Ted Cruz? Warren is intelligent and capable of rational thought. Cruz was raised by a racist cumfart and is highly delusional. I’d say understanding what is reality and what are the insane ramblings of your father is a useful skill for a president. > [@](#): > > Or Chris Christie? He’s at least sane, but he pushes nonsense policy. I’d say he’s qualified. > [@](#): > > and do you really think Bill Clinton would have dropped the ball this badly on the implementation? Is there ANYTHING in Bill Clinton’s Presidential experience that demonstrates that he ever dropped the ball on an issue of basic governance? He did drop a load on a fat chick’s mumu. Rookie mistake. > [@](#): > > you seem to prefer legislative prowess, which I guess is fine. But I’m not questioning his legislative abilities. I’m questioning his executive abilities. I’m questioning why you keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/34 "2013-11-04T11:13:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Warren and Cruz have equivalent experience. I understand why you’d prefer Warren, but what makes Warren better prepared to be President than Ted Cruz? Or Chris Christie? Because nothing prepares you to be President. All new presidents are unprepared. Cruz is especially unprepared (more so than Warren and Christie) because he lives in cloud cuckoo-land. > [@](#): > > and do you really think Bill Clinton would have dropped the ball this badly on the implementation? Is there ANYTHING in Bill Clinton’s Presidential experience that demonstrates that he ever dropped the ball on an issue of basic governance? You’re reading too much right wing media. Sure, the rollout sucked. But in a few months, the website will work fine (it’s already working far better), and everyone who wanted to will be signed up for the ACA. And the bad website rollout will be mostly forgotten. > [@](#): > > you seem to prefer legislative prowess, which I guess is fine. But I’m not questioning his legislative abilities. I’m questioning his executive abilities. No, I prefer non-idiocy to idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/35 "2013-11-04T11:15:17Z")
Clinton’s problems were personal. Obama’s are professional. I take it you can’t think of a time Clinton failed as a President, as opposed to failing as a man. When you think about it, Clinton had it pretty good. He never had to resort to the “but I didn’t know!” defense. He never had an accountability moment because he never had a failure he had to be held accountable for. Not bad for eight years. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/36 "2013-11-04T11:19:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sure. But not because they would fail to govern competently. Because they are lacking in other respects. …how on earth can you know this? > [@](#): > > If you believe Obama has experience, tell us what it is. Why don’t you ask the American people? They are, after all, the people that elected him twice. > [@](#): > > Then explain what experience you believe prepared Barack Obama to be President. I believe that the United States of America have a complex and involved system of vetting the experience of potential Presidents. Obama managed to get from one end of the system to the other end of the system and is now the President of the United States. I think that his experiences [listed here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) would give me more than enough reason to vote for him as President if I were a citizen of the United States and if I lived in your country. If you believe that an “inexperienced” person can go through the process and get elected as President of the United States: you are indicting the process, not the President, and you are pitting the wrong thing. > [@](#): > > Really? Good governors, generals, cabinet members, choose political allies over competent professionals? Strawman. But I wouldn’t expect anything less from you. He selected one person with a set of qualifications over…who else was in the running? > [@](#): > > I know BAD ones do, but to call this decision normal, or even to say it’s something someone with experience would do is just crazy. Even a bad President wouldn’t make that decision on something that was this damn important to him. Obama made a decision. If it is your opinion that he made the decision he made out of “inexperience” then provide proof for that claim. You seem to also be saying he made this decision based on his “political allies.” So make your mind up will you? Is he inexperienced, or is he practicing cronyism? > [@](#): > > Look, the decision to put his political team in charge of ACA implementation was bad, can we agree on that? Assuming we do, then why did he make such a bad decision? Because he’s stupid? or because he’s inexperienced? Your attitude, that it’s a decision anyone could have made, is just plain wrong. No we can’t agree on that. I’m not going to offer my opinion that it was a good or a bad decision. To weigh that decision up I’d need much more information than an anonymous source in an online article. > [@](#): > > The system usually works. Obama is a first term junior Senator. JFK was also a junior Senator. Who was more qualified than Obama, having been a military officer with wartime experience. So you have to go back a LONG way to find someone less qualified than Obama. To qualify to be President of the United States: > [@](#): > > Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the requirements to hold office. A president must: > be a natural-born citizen of the United States;[note 1] > be at least thirty-five years old; > have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years. > A person who meets the above qualifications is still disqualified from holding the office of president under any of the following conditions: > Under the Twenty-second Amendment, no person can be elected president more than twice. The amendment also specifies that if any eligible person who serves as president or acting president for more than two years of a term for which some other eligible person was elected president, the former can only be elected president once. Scholars disagree whether anyone no longer eligible to be elected president could be elected vice president, pursuant to the qualifications set out under the Twelfth Amendment.[68] > Under Article I, Section 3, Clause 7, upon conviction in impeachment cases, the Senate has the option of disqualifying convicted individuals from holding other federal offices, including the presidency.[69] > Under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, no person who swore an oath to support the Constitution, and later rebelled against the United States, can become president. However, this disqualification can be lifted by a two-thirds vote of each house of Congress. > **[President of the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States)** > > The president of the United States (POTUS)\[B\] is the head of state and head of government of the United States. The president directs the executive branch of the federal government and is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces. The system did work. Obama appears to be as qualified as every other President of the United States has been. Or are you inventing new qualifications that you expect a President to have that no-one else knows about? Can you list these qualifications: and can you explain why they are not listed anywhere in the Presidential job application? > [@](#): > > Are you saying there’s nothing the voters should learn from this? Just go ahead and elevate Liz Warren or Ted Cruz to the Presidency and we’ll be a-OK? If you want to know what I’m saying, then read the words that I said. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/37 "2013-11-04T11:21:54Z")
If that doesn’t convince you, how about the fact that the site is still up despite the security features not being tested? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/38 "2013-11-04T11:30:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If that doesn’t convince you, how about the fact that the site is still up despite the security features not being tested? …what about it? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/39 "2013-11-04T11:32:47Z")
And I find it amusing that a well sourced article(they had five sources within the administration) isn’t good enough for you. Rather, it’s an “anonymous, online” article, a rather silly way to dismiss it, given that it’s almost certainly in the print version of the Post, and it’s anonymous because nearly ALL inside reports that are negative are going to be anonymous. In the real world, five sources is about as well sourced as this stuff gets. Otherwise, you’re just left with believing whatever the administration says just because it says it. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/40 "2013-11-04T11:34:20Z")
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