# I pit inexperienced Presidents who don't know what they are doing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042 "2013-11-04T07:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/81 "2013-11-04T15:31:09Z")
Plus, the user name is just an anagram for: A Cabana Fan Nipple Perk ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/82 "2013-11-04T15:41:36Z")
If he had more experience, he probably could’ve gotten Osama bib Laden!! ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/83 "2013-11-04T15:46:37Z")
Is that like an evil terrorist baby? Should be easy to take out, I would think. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/84 "2013-11-04T15:50:00Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Plus, the user name is just an anagram for: > > A Cabana Fan Nipple Perk Yeah, well your’s is **Hard Rear Prick** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/85 "2013-11-04T15:50:18Z")
> [@Becky2844](#): > > Oh, you mean like Eisenhower? We have a more recent instance in W. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/86 "2013-11-04T15:56:25Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Yeah, well your’s is **Hard Rear Prick** Whatever, **Hard and Apt**. Dick Parker wasn’t direct enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/87 "2013-11-04T16:01:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If he had more experience, he probably could’ve gotten Osama bib Laden!! That would require time travel and I’m not sure I could support hit jobs on toddlers. Could we maybe wait till he reached pre-school? ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/88 "2013-11-04T16:12:55Z")
> [@Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](#): > > How DARE you post anything other than effusive lauditory praise for President Obama and his signature legislative achievement!! This is The Straight Dope Message Board dammit!! > > You’re probably a racist, aren’t you? You hate President Obama just because he’s black. Well, just because he’s half black. Right? Yeah. > > Either that or you’re a teabagger. Yeah. That’s it. You’re an ignorant teabagger. Because only ignorant teabaggers, and racists of course, don’t like President Obama. > > Or maybe you want poor people to die. That’s more like it. Only people who hate poor people and want them to die have anything bad to say about the Affordable Care Act (DON’T call it ‘Obamacare’!). > > Yep. You’re a hateful racist teabagger. That’s the ONLY acceptable explanation here on The Straight Dope Message Board. People who limit their criticism to _ **actual** _ job performance probably aren’t in any danger of being construed as hateful, racist teabaggers. Misinformed possibly ( Hi Fox viewers!) , outright fabricators when they manufacture lies from whole cloth ( Damn Ads, you ARE prolific), but not hateful, racist teabaggers. Unless you freely brag of it or behave in the manner commonly associated with such traits ( See Qube, Ice there of). I currently have no reason to associate you with any of those attributes Banana, kindly provide no reason for me to. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/89 "2013-11-04T17:22:25Z")
Obama promise - [[FLASHBACK] Obama: If you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoV0NeHNklk) Diane’s response - [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a35_1383578167) If this is not outright lies and BS I don’t know what is? One thing is for sure… there will be someone coming along to dissect semantically the whole thing and show that I have no clude what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/90 "2013-11-04T19:32:59Z")
An interesting article about whether “experience” helps presidents do a good job: [spoiler: it doesn’t seem to matter at all.](http://electoral-vote.com/evp2013/Info/experience.html) **Adaher** : it’s clearly the case that the ACA rollout has been a bit of a disaster. And responsibility for that clearly and ultimately rests with Obama. Yes, it reflects poorly on him. And…? ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/91 "2013-11-04T19:45:33Z")
Yes. nobody should be allowed to be president unless they already had at least eight years experience of presidenting. Obama’s mere five years of experience of presidenting at the time of the obamacare rollout are clearly the cause of problems with the website. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/92 "2013-11-04T19:51:23Z")
So you’re saying he did code the site so its all his fault? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/93 "2013-11-04T20:01:35Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Two Adaher-started threads near the top of the BBQ pit. He’s become increasingly shrill and desperate over the past month or so. Almost as if we were approaching the one year anniversary of some traumatic event, an event in which all his political instincts were proved disastrously incorrect. Belly laugh! ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/94 "2013-11-04T20:19:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Describing Obama as I described him is 100% accurate. These are facts we all agree on. What we disagreed on in the 2008 election was whether it mattered. Obviously, we now know it did matter. No. No, no, no, no, and once again, no. What we disagreed on in 2008 was whether it made sense to put a rabid hockey mom in the #2 position of a once competent statesman turned aging dotard and obvious puppet of his party. Some people voted for BO because he could speak in complete sentences, others voted against the likely and clearly disatrous prospect of President Palin. In 2012, for what it’s worth, we chose the devil we knew over an oligarch who had stated in no uncertain terms his disdain for nearly 50% of his electorate. I bring this up because so many of President Obama’s most vocal detractors take the position of, “Ha Ha! Your guy’s a dumbass!” without owning the fact he had no sensible competition in either election, and a large psychotic legislative element whose sole stated focus was to cause his presidency to fail. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/95 "2013-11-04T21:01:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Nixon: 8 years as VP in a very functional, professional administration under one of the ablest leaders this country has ever had. And despite being one of the best constitutional lawyers around, still didn’t think the laws applied to him. We see what happened to him. [though he did open dialog with China, that was really good] > [@adaher](#): > > Kennedy: too short a time in office, but did have leadership experience in the military. Experience hazarding his command. Sloppy, cowboy boathandling, and how about removing a lifeboat to make room to strap a 37mm antitank gun on … and then as a politician also not bothering to keep it in his pants. Bay of Pigs, Vienna Summit, listening to Gen Taylor and thinking a small limited action in Vietnam was just the thing to do … > [@adaher](#): > > Obama is the least qualified person to be elected in our lifetimes. No one even comes close. The results speak for themselves. That being said, his legislative experience did result in bills being passed in his first two years, and for many of his supporters, that’s really all they wanted. Although they are finding out what happens when those poliices don’t get implemented correctly. Ya think? Politics is a give and take deal, both parties have to actually do what they say they will do for their part of the deal - demanding a concession then not going through with the deal is how to stop people from dealing with you. Part of it is also asking sensible items and not demanding the impossible. > [@adaher](#): > > Clinton faced exactly the same problem in his first two years and part of his third. His budget plan got not a single Republican vote. His health care plan was defeated by united Republican opposition. His Presidency was on the ropes after his 1994 shellacking. Remember what he did to get his mojo back? > . Fuck another secretary? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/96 "2013-11-04T21:33:43Z")
What kind of a fit is this? Multille threads in the Pit and GD… Somebody get Curly some fucking cheese, stat! ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/97 "2013-11-04T23:52:09Z")
Seems like there is _something_ wrong with the OP’s premise when you only have to go back to the administration \*just prior \*to Obama’s to \*\*completely \*\*discredit it. It’ll come to me. Oh yeah, blind partisan hackery. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/98 "2013-11-04T23:58:20Z")
Lately, he has been trying out the garb of non-partisan centrist. The radiant light of our wisdom is guiding him from the path of political error. “That’s my story, boys, and I’m sticking to it.” - Aimee Semple McPherson ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/99 "2013-11-05T00:08:42Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > No. No, no, no, no, and once again, no. > > What we disagreed on in 2008 was whether it made sense to put a rabid hockey mom in the #2 position of a once competent statesman turned aging dotard and obvious puppet of his party. Some people voted for BO because he could speak in complete sentences, others voted against the likely and clearly disatrous prospect of President Palin. In 2012, for what it’s worth, we chose the devil we knew over an oligarch who had stated in no uncertain terms his disdain for nearly 50% of his electorate. > > I bring this up because so many of President Obama’s most vocal detractors take the position of, “Ha Ha! Your guy’s a dumbass!” without owning the fact he had no sensible competition in either election, and a large psychotic legislative element whose sole stated focus was to cause his presidency to fail. YES! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/100 "2013-11-05T00:15:09Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …managing large organizations does not equal the presidency. There are plenty of Governors, generals, VP’s, even cabinet members who have experience in managing large organizations but would be disasters as a President. Fortunately they rarely get elected because most Americans aren’t stupid enough to think that “managing a large organization” is the primary criteria for electing a President. Possibly. But they were certainly stupid enough to think that having zero managerial experience of any kind was NOT an issue to be considered in the election. And look what we got as a result. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=6)