# I pit inexperienced Presidents who don't know what they are doing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042 "2013-11-04T07:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/141 "2013-11-05T18:00:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You mean like Cowboy Numbnuts? That worked out great. Ads is a proponent of the “Big Lie” school of argument. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/142 "2013-11-05T18:09:38Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > Seriously? Is this the sort of drivel that has people nodding their heads solemnly in conservative circles? > > I don’t think Obama should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize either, but you don’t exactly campaign for it. Was Obama clearing his throat and pointing to himself in Geneva, or should this one maybe be considered the Nobel people’s fault? > > And teleprompters? I seem to recall a few… no… EVERY other politician in history reading prepared speeches from prompters, notes and whatever. Don’t you have anyone around you who points and laughs when you say things like that? > > There are real things to criticize about Obama. Why do you continue flogging this nonsense? Because he can’t admit the real things to criticize are real things to criticize. The RW has been strangely silent about drone-strikes, indefinite detentions, even NSA spying. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/143 "2013-11-05T18:10:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Or, we could elect a governor, someone who actually has experience running a bureaucracy. Jimmy Carter, f’rinstance. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/144 "2013-11-05T18:24:18Z")
This thread reminds me of the Obama v McCain election. I felt that Obama’s inexperience really showed in that he had no real economic plan and no real gravitas or connections to work with the House and Senate\*. Basically his entire plan was, “I’m not Bush.”\*\* When I pointed out my concerns in discussions about the election the responses were pretty universal as, “You’re a racist.” I’m glad to see on SD that that is not the stock response (anymore?). Now if we can just convince the Dems on board that their vitriol and lies were just as unreasonable and unfounded against Bush as they accuse Pubs as slinging to Obama … - Which I think the Pubs realized and is the reason for the stonewall strategy knowing Obama has no Pub markers to call in Congress. Whether that is a good strategy is a different issue. \*\* Admittedly an effective to win the Presidency and Nobel Prize. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/145 "2013-11-05T18:24:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because he can’t admit the real things to criticize are real things to criticize. The RW has been strangely silent about drone-strikes, indefinite detentions, even NSA spying. They’re in a bind. They want to approve of such things but that would mean agreeing with Obama. And that just isn’t done. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/146 "2013-11-05T18:28:07Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > This thread reminds me of the Obama v McCain election. I felt that Obama’s inexperience really showed in that he had no real economic plan and no real gravitas or connections to work with the House and Senate\*. McCain admitted he didn’t know much about the economy - a hell of an admission for someone who’d been a senator for 20 years - and this thing about working with Congress is still generally bullshit. Other than that, this is spot on. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/147 "2013-11-05T18:32:49Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > This thread reminds me of the Obama v McCain election. I felt that Obama’s inexperience really showed in that he had no real economic plan and no real gravitas or connections to work with the House and Senate\*. Basically his entire plan was, “I’m not Bush.”\*\* When I pointed out my concerns in discussions about the election the responses were pretty universal as, “You’re a racist.” > > I’m glad to see on SD that that is not the stock response (anymore?). Now if we can just convince the Dems on board that their vitriol and lies were just as unreasonable and unfounded against Bush as they accuse Pubs as slinging to Obama … > > - Which I think the Pubs realized and is the reason for the stonewall strategy knowing Obama has no Pub markers to call in Congress. Whether that is a good strategy is a different issue. > \*\* Admittedly an effective to win the Presidency and Nobel Prize. In what star date did the wormhole open up that led you to fall into the universe you described above? Are you transmitting from there or did you make it back to our reality at some point? ---
**Author:** ![Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce7236/32.png) [@Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banana_Pancake_Flipper)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/148 "2013-11-05T18:44:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I know this is just **ralph** parroting something he heard somewhere and that there’s no actual thought behind it, but would someone want to briefly explain WTF this is supposed to mean, and how the current administration is somehow supposed to be emblematic of this? Yeah **ralph** is teh stooopid huh hurp durr!!! Cuz nobody – NOBODY – with two brain cells to rub together could POSSIBLY find fault with ANYTHING President Obama has said or done. Ever. ANY objection whatsoever is nothing more than teh stooooopids parroting what Faux News tells them to. Right? AMIRIGHTORWHAT!!! But seriously **El\_Kabong** , the fact that you don’t get the reference or implication of “Cook County politician” means you clearly know very little about Obama or his background. Yet you probably voted for him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/149 "2013-11-05T19:03:33Z")
Ah yes, another conservative who’s about to tell us the real truth about Obama the machine politician. If this story goes viral, his re-election bid is toast. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/150 "2013-11-05T19:20:22Z")
> [@Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](#): > > Yeah **ralph** is teh stooopid huh hurp durr!!! Cuz nobody – NOBODY – with two brain cells to rub together could POSSIBLY find fault with ANYTHING President Obama has said or done. Ever. ANY objection whatsoever is nothing more than teh stooooopids parroting what Faux News tells them to. Right? AMIRIGHTORWHAT!!! > > But seriously **El\_Kabong** , the fact that you don’t get the reference or implication of “Cook County politician” means you clearly know very little about Obama or his background. Yet you probably voted for him anyway. Step 1: mock over the top generalizations that nobody has ever in fact made. Step 2: suggest Cook County politicians are all dirty. Step 3: Fail to see irony. Step 4: Go away and never come back. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/151 "2013-11-05T19:24:42Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > In what star date did the wormhole open up that led you to fall into the universe you described above? Are you transmitting from there or did you make it back to our reality at some point? Which part do you disagree with? That Obama supported in bars would accuse me of being racist because I didn’t think he would make a good president? That Democrats (including those on SD) have not been absurb in their criticism of Bush2 wherein legitimate concerns on his presidency was lost in the noise of, “He don’t speak so goodly. Strategery! Ha Ha Ha.”? ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/152 "2013-11-05T19:29:12Z")
> [@Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](#): > > Yeah **ralph** is teh stooopid huh hurp durr!!! Cuz nobody – NOBODY – with two brain cells to rub together could POSSIBLY find fault with ANYTHING President Obama has said or done. Ever. ANY objection whatsoever is nothing more than teh stooooopids parroting what Faux News tells them to. Right? AMIRIGHTORWHAT!!! > > But seriously **El\_Kabong** , the fact that you don’t get the reference or implication of “Cook County politician” means you clearly know very little about Obama or his background. Yet you probably voted for him anyway. I’m thinking you missed just how nonsensical ralph’s attempted criticism’s were Bananas… But if you think they’re spot on, head on up to the mountain top and preach it brah. Then we’d have two crack pots to laugh at. ( Hey, I enjoy variety… 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/153 "2013-11-05T19:31:00Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Step 4: Go away and never come back. Already taken care of. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/154 "2013-11-05T23:27:54Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Step 4: Go away and never come back. > [@Marley23](#): > > Already taken care of. That’s some power you folks have there. You wouldn’t happen to be Cook County politicians, by chance? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/155 "2013-11-06T00:36:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > That’s some power you folks have there. You wouldn’t happen to be Cook County politicians, by chance? Like any sensible person would trust me with real power. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/156 "2013-11-06T00:54:41Z")
“Sensible”? You’ve not been to Chicago, I take it? ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/157 "2013-11-06T00:56:29Z")
Hey, you got my vote! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/158 "2013-11-06T01:53:13Z")
QED ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/159 "2013-11-06T05:01:03Z")
What’s so charming about right-wing idiots is their disability to grasp shades of gray. Increase the minimum wage from $8 to $9? “Why not increase it to $100?” Et cetera. Observe the behavior of cockroaches or banana slugs: Even they have more sense of nuance than that. Speaking of banana slugs, when sentient Americans complain about jackass-stupid remarks brayed against Obama dawn-till-dusk, we’re caricatured as brooking no dissent at al: > [@Banana\_Pancake\_Flipper](#): > > Yeah **ralph** is teh stooopid huh hurp durr!!! Cuz nobody – NOBODY – with two brain cells to rub together could POSSIBLY find fault with ANYTHING President Obama has said or done. Ever. ANY objection whatsoever is nothing more than teh stooooopids parroting what Faux News tells them to. Right? AMIRIGHTORWHAT!!! I think there’s a fair chance that **Banana** is just a parodying troll. Either way, keep him around please! He’s more amusing than Ralph or Humpy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/160 "2013-11-06T10:25:17Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think there’s a fair chance that **Banana** is just a parodying troll. Either way, keep him around please! He’s more amusing than Ralph or Humpy. But if we don’t ban him, he won’t be able to go back to his usual stomping grounds to tell them all about how he showed those mean ol’ libtards who’s boss and how we had to ban him because we couldn’t refute his powerful arguments. He’s probably happier this way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=9)