# I pit inexperienced Presidents who don't know what they are doing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042 "2013-11-04T07:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/161 "2013-11-06T10:37:00Z")
It’s a perfect win-win, really. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/162 "2013-11-06T12:48:17Z")
Dana Milbank has his own diagnosis of what’s wrong with the administration: > [@](#): > > I’ve written frequently about Obama’s insularity. Like his predecessor, he has rewarded loyalty and surrounded himself with like-minded advisers disinclined to dissent. This, combined with a Bush-like fetish for secrecy, has left the president in a bubble, struggling to find support in Congress or among the public. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-is-bubble-wrapped/2013/11/05/8779997a-465b-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-is-bubble-wrapped/2013/11/05/8779997a-465b-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/163 "2013-11-06T13:16:20Z")
This is the same Obama who appointed a number of Republicans to high-level positions in his administration, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/164 "2013-11-06T14:39:20Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > This is the same Obama who appointed a number of Republicans to high-level positions in his administration, yes? No, I think in this instance **adaher** is referring to the Secret Kenyan Muslim Socio-fascist Dictator Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/165 "2013-11-06T14:41:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think there’s a fair chance that **Banana** is just a parodying troll. Nope, not a parody. Regardless he’s gone (again). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/166 "2013-11-06T15:20:45Z")
OK, so if anyone cares, what I was driving at concerning my question about “Cook County Politicians” or “Chicago-style Politics” was whether a poster using that term can actually point to a specific instance of alleged corruption in Obama’s career that might justify use of the term. I’m unaware of any serious accusations of corruption on Obama’s part at any level of his political career, however, so it seems this is just some sort of conveniently vague, generalized smear, without actual substance. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/167 "2013-11-06T15:23:50Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > a poster using that term can actually point to a specific instance of alleged corruption in Obama’s career that might justify use of the term. Well, he turned me into a newt. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/168 "2013-11-06T15:33:21Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > OK, so if anyone cares, what I was driving at concerning my question about “Cook County Politicians” or “Chicago-style Politics” was whether a poster using that term can actually point to a specific instance of alleged corruption in Obama’s career that might justify use of the term. I’m unaware of any serious accusations of corruption on Obama’s part at any level of his political career, however, so it seems this is just some sort of conveniently vague, generalized smear, without actual substance. There are no specifics. It’s just a way to vaguely accuse him of being crooked and part of a political machine. We all know politicians from small towns are always squeaky clean, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/169 "2013-11-06T15:43:50Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > No, I think in this instance **adaher** is referring to the Secret Kenyan Muslim Socio-fascist Dictator Obama. Oh, THAT Obama. Man, I hate _that_ guy. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/170 "2013-11-06T17:06:31Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Well, he turned me into a newt. Well, OK, but did he promise you could keep your current health insurance plan? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/171 "2013-11-06T17:17:58Z")
Try this one: > **[Chicago Politics | Political Science | University of Illinois Chicago](https://pols.uic.edu/chicago-politics/)** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/172 "2013-11-06T17:23:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Oh, THAT Obama. Man, I hate _that_ guy. :mad: You **will** kneel before the Secret Kenyan Muslim Socio-fascist Dictator Obama! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/173 "2013-11-06T17:25:25Z")
**Crook County Corrupt? Nah!** > [@ralph124c](#): > > Try this one: > [http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/ChicagoPolitics/Anti-corruptionReportNumber3.pdf](http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/ChicagoPolitics/Anti-corruptionReportNumber3.pdf) No one said that there is no corruption in Chicago politics. Rather than force everyone to read a lengthy paper, could you point to a relevant passage that implicates Obama in one or more specific instances of corruption? BTW, are you a Chicago resident? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/174 "2013-11-06T17:35:15Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Crook County Corrupt? Nah!** > > No one said that there is no corruption in Chicago politics. > > Rather than force everyone to read a lengthy paper, could you point to a relevant passage that implicates Obama in one or more specific instances of corruption? > > BTW, are you a Chicago resident? I did a search in the document. No Obama found. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/175 "2013-11-06T17:36:57Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Try this one: > [http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/ChicagoPolitics/Anti-corruptionReportNumber3.pdf](http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/ChicagoPolitics/Anti-corruptionReportNumber3.pdf) Please, **retard124c** , show Obama’s corruption that you’re constantly insinuating. Who, exactly, is he on the take from? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/176 "2013-11-06T17:51:29Z")
But…Chicago! You know…he’s all Chicago-y! In a Chicago kind of way! You know what _those people_ are like! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/177 "2013-11-06T18:25:59Z")
Did someone put one of Obama’s guys in the hospital, so he put three of theirs in the morgue? Cause THAT’s the Chicago way! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/178 "2013-11-06T19:36:06Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I did a search in the document. No Obama found. See? That kind of proves the point, doesn’t it – the sneaky bastard had his name expunged. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/179 "2013-11-06T19:50:02Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > See? That kind of proves the point, doesn’t it – the sneaky bastard had his name expunged. Did you search under his secret Muslim Kenyan birth name? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042/180 "2013-11-06T19:50:32Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > That Democrats (including those on SD) have not been absurb in their criticism of Bush2 wherein legitimate concerns on his presidency was lost in the noise of, “He don’t speak so goodly. Strategery! Ha Ha Ha.”? There was no absurbity, because Dem criticism of legitimate concerns regarding W was **not** lost in that noise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-inexperienced-presidents-who-dont-know-what-they-are-doing/673042.md?page=10)