# I Pit Islam **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932 "2016-11-07T03:16:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/21 "2016-11-07T05:53:48Z")
There is wailing in the streets of Cairo, Djakarta, Kosovo and Dearborn - massive crowds of Muslims all desperate for a way to return to Derekmichaels00’s good graces. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/22 "2016-11-07T06:00:14Z")
OP is furiously fapping to the replies he’s getting. I hope he enjoys himself. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/23 "2016-11-07T06:43:53Z")
Well, to be fair, not many sides go well with Camel Dung. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/24 "2016-11-07T06:45:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Lemme guess - you were laying down game on a Muslim girl and she turned you down for a taller guy? Don’t you mean a _longer_ guy? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/25 "2016-11-07T07:39:03Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Don’t you mean a _longer_ guy? I take it you’re not familiar with our charming OP. He’s always whining that he can’t get “hot girls” because he’s too short, and thus is reduced to dating “fat chicks”. (Which is why he claims to be so afraid of trans people – apparently he’ll soon be forced to date trans women, or something like that.) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/26 "2016-11-07T07:39:08Z")
> [@](#): > > I pit this religion of Islam. Why? Because in human rights, women’s rights, LGB rights, etc. rankings, the bottoms of the lists are majority populated by Muslim majority countries. > > I pit Islam because of all religion-inspired terrorisms of the world, Islamic terrorism is the most common and widespread, causing governments on every inhabited continent to spend billions of dollars and thousands of man/hours. I’ll never forget September 11, Madrid, London, Paris, Chattanooga, Fort Hood, Orlando, Israel, Mumbai, Theo Van Gogh and the many incidents occurred on account of Muslim jihad. > > I pit Islam because virtually all countries in which the State amputates body parts as criminal punishment are Muslim majority countries. > > I pit Islam because the supermajority of countries in which FGM is commonly practiced, are Muslim majority countries. > > I pit Islam because its the inspiration for honor killings, and oppressive clothing like the hijab, niqab, burka, all meant to mark women as property. You point out some valid bad things. The only time I was personally subjected to a hate crime was at the hands of White American Evangelical Conservatives. They were infuriated that, after accusing me of being a “liberal” in the most venomous tones of voice, they were unable to answer my queries about what exactly the word “liberal” meant, and how exactly it was that I fit into that category, and so they subjected me to potentially fatal head wounds instead. I will admit to being indirectly, impersonally affected by the violence of 9/11. However, I think Muslim countries tend to be weak and disorganized (even Saudi Arabia’s oil power is being undermined by alternative energy trends). The greatest threat in the world today is actually American evangelicals, because they have the potential to sway the American political system in its favor (I read that 4/5 of evangelicals are voting for Trump), and therefore pose the most real risk of sparking WWIII through infecting the most powerful nation in the world with ignorant hatred. I have seen it myself as up close and personal as is possible without being killed. Muslim countries are weak, they get conquered or spontaneously fall all on their own all the time. Suicide attacks are the hallmark of defeated peoples- the IJA didn’t resort to them until all was lost, for example. Evangelicals are the real threat. Wake the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/27 "2016-11-07T07:56:47Z")
There’s always some ‘asshole’ ready to find faults with the OP isn’t there? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/28 "2016-11-07T08:24:25Z")
I’d pit Islam too as it is written in the koran and hadiths. It contains some pretty horrific ideas and appeals to the supernatural that I think are inherently problematic. Just like many other religions and belief systems. I’d happily pit many of the teachings in the torah/bible as well. Muslims on the other hand (and people of most faiths) tend to be decent people but that is despite what their scriptures say rather than because of it. (luckily they don’t believe it all or follow it all or consider it the immutable word of god) I’m sure everyone will rightly pile on the OP due to history and broad-brush approach but of course no-one would have a problem with pitting say communism or any other written work or political position ( I doubt that \*\*Try2B \*\*would get any flack for pitting evangelical conservatism). Any religion should be open to exactly the same scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/29 "2016-11-07T08:52:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > You point out some valid bad things. > > The only time I was personally subjected to a hate crime was at the hands of White American Evangelical Conservatives. They were infuriated that, after accusing me of being a “liberal” in the most venomous tones of voice, they were unable to answer my queries about what exactly the word “liberal” meant, and how exactly it was that I fit into that category, and so they subjected me to potentially fatal head wounds instead. > > I will admit to being indirectly, impersonally affected by the violence of 9/11. However, I think Muslim countries tend to be weak and disorganized (even Saudi Arabia’s oil power is being undermined by alternative energy trends). The greatest threat in the world today is actually American evangelicals, because they have the potential to sway the American political system in its favor (I read that 4/5 of evangelicals are voting for Trump), and therefore pose the most real risk of sparking WWIII through infecting the most powerful nation in the world with ignorant hatred. I have seen it myself as up close and personal as is possible without being killed. > > Muslim countries are weak, they get conquered or spontaneously fall all on their own all the time. Suicide attacks are the hallmark of defeated peoples- the IJA didn’t resort to them until all was lost, for example. Evangelicals are the real threat. Wake the fuck up. right, because people are marauding the US and the world blowing themselves up in places shouting a Christian equivalent of “allahu akbar.” Because our government needs to spend billions to prevent it. Uh huh. Even for as bad as your experience may have been, don’t project your experience onto the rest of the world and society. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/30 "2016-11-07T08:57:41Z")
Thankfully we have people like Peter Dinklage and Jason Acuña to remind us of the awesomeness that our shorter brethren can achieve, so we don’t have to view this colossal asshole as a representative of his cohort. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/31 "2016-11-07T10:48:30Z")
There’s nothing special about Islam. The fact that American Muslims are generally more peaceful and tolerant than American evangelical Christians is proof of this. There might be a disparate statistical correlation with Muslims internationally and some bad things, including terrorism, but the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism, and are no threat to America at all. And this disparate statistical correlation was not always true – in the late middle ages, it was probably much safer to be a Jew in Islamic regions than in Christian Western Europe. Further, broad-brushing all Muslims and tarring them with the crimes of a few _hurts the fight against extremism_. Not only are you a cowardly bigot who regularly spouts false things, **DerekMichaels00** , but you’re _hurting America_ by repeating hateful rhetoric. To defeat extremist violence from Muslims, we need peaceful Muslims on our side, repudiating the extremists. If our leaders followed your rhetoric, they would all be against us – all 1.6 billion of them – and would never cooperate in rooting out the extremists among them. Stop weakening America, you cowardly hateful bigot. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/32 "2016-11-07T11:16:47Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > right, because people are marauding the US and the world blowing themselves up in places shouting a Christian equivalent of “allahu akbar.” No, because they have drones and missiles and bombers for that sort of thing. We have a man right now running for President of the United States who promises to kill the families of “terrorists” and commit other war crimes, with a large amount of support. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/33 "2016-11-07T11:47:51Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Now I’ma gonna clear something up for you, too, you ignorant racist fuckwit. Get old Winnie drunk enough and you’d have gotten along fine, sharing racist anecdotes in the Old Boys’ Club (whites only) … > > “I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.” > _– Winston Churchill, writing as president of the Air Council, 1919_ > > “It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.” > _– Commenting on Gandhi’s meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931_ > > “I do not admit… that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia… by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race… has come in and taken its place.” > _– Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937_ > > “One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.” > _– From his Great Contemporaries, 1937_ > > “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.” > > Palestinians: “barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung.” > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/03/the-dark-side-of-winston-churchills-legacy-no-one-should-forget/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/03/the-dark-side-of-winston-churchills-legacy-no-one-should-forget/) > … as an MP he demanded a rolling programme of more conquests, based on his belief that “the Aryan stock is bound to triumph”. There seems to have been an odd cognitive dissonance in his view of the “natives”. In some of his private correspondence, he appears to really believe they are helpless children who will “willingly, naturally, gratefully include themselves within the golden circle of an ancient crown”. > > But when they defied this script, Churchill demanded they be crushed with extreme force. As Colonial Secretary in the 1920s, he unleashed the notorious Black and Tan thugs on Ireland’s Catholic civilians, and when the Kurds rebelled against British rule, he said: “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes…[It] would spread a lively terror.” > [The dark side of Winston Churchill | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/not-his-finest-hour-the-dark-side-of-winston-churchill-2118317.html) Wow, so Winston shared the prejudices of his time and nation. I am utterly shocked. One would have expected him to have liberal 21st century views. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/34 "2016-11-07T11:52:54Z")
Does it bother you even a titch that the largest Muslim nation (by population) is actually moderate and practices none of those extremist things you listed? (I’m gonna guess it doesn’t even move the needle for you because you’re not dealing with realities as much as your perception/fear.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/35 "2016-11-07T11:53:41Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Wow, so Winston shared the prejudices of his time and nation. I am utterly shocked. One would have expected him to have liberal 21st century views. The point is that the OP loves Winnie for those views, and I’m pretty sure the OP lives in the 21st century whether he wants to or not. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/36 "2016-11-07T12:08:58Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I pit this religion of Islam. Why? Because you are a hateful stunted person who is so burdened by your own failures and your own weaknesses you must direct your merited self-despising outwards. > [@](#): > > LGB rights Funny, the pretexting. Since you are so bigotted against transexuals. It is not hard to know the pretension of care here is only a façade. > [@](#): > > I pit Islam because virtually all countries in which the State amputates body parts as criminal punishment are Muslim majority countries. and a tiny minority of the islamic world. > [@](#): > > I pit Islam because the supermajority of countries in which FGM is commonly practiced, are Muslim majority countries. False, it is a practice absent from most Islamic regions, and it is practiced essentially in the African regions from a north-east African transmission - where is both the Coptic / Orthodox christians and the muslims (egypt, ethiopia, etc) who equally practice at the nearly identical percentages. It has no roots in the Islam, and it is completely absent from large regions where there was not the pre islamic tradition of it (the maghreb, the Turkey, the central asia, etc. etc.). So obviously by this idiot moral dwarf troll standard, he must pit the Coptic and the eastern orthodox christianity for fgm… (but in fact he only cares to seek out reasons to promote his bigotry). > [@](#): > > I pit Islam because its the inspiration for honor killings, There is no basis in the Islamic religion for any honor killing (indeed it is banned in actual text, it is urfi tradition that allows it), which are the cultural practices that predate the Islam (and the structure ‘honor’ killing is completely absent in the islamic regions that had not any pre islamic tradition of it) As it is also clear in seeing the commonality of the hindu and the pakistan honor killings - but of course you are an ignorant bigot and only seek again to promote your hatreds and even then dishonestly. In any case you are a stunted moral dwarf and of course we know a Troll who has tried to pretend to “Left” liberalism but the mask and the game was never convincing, given the Troll has always used the language and the idioms of the extremist racist right. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/37 "2016-11-07T12:20:38Z")
Beards without mustaches look strange and unnatural. Oh wait, that’s the Amish. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/38 "2016-11-07T12:30:37Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > There is no basis in the Islamic religion for any honor killing (indeed it is banned in actual text, it is urfi tradition that allows it), which are the cultural practices that predate the Islam (and the structure ‘honor’ killing is completely absent in the islamic regions that had not any pre islamic tradition of it) As it is also clear in seeing the commonality of the hindu and the pakistan honor killings - but of course you are an ignorant bigot and only seek again to promote your hatreds and even then dishonestly. Anyone with a strong stomach should look into [what happened to women during Partition](http://www.ibtimes.com/partition-india-pakistan-rape-women-epic-historic-scale-1387601). > [@](#): > > Amid the massive confusion and panic, up to 1 million people (perhaps many more) died; while untold numbers of women suffered a fate worse than death – they were raped, sometimes tortured, gang-raped and murdered. Indeed, the Partition of India and Pakistan, a decision made by lawmakers far from the front-lines, unleashed an episode of brutal depravity that might be unmatched in recent history. > > These atrocities primarily occurred in Punjab and Bengal and involved venal criminality on the part of all parties concerned: Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs. As **Ramira** notes, a lot of the more gruesome practices the OP suggests are intrinsic to Islam are more regional and cultural than religious, and many long pre-date Islam. Even now they are rarely exclusive to one religion, nor are they universally practised by Muslims worldwide. (It’s probably also worth noting that it wasn’t Muslims who “popularized” the use of suicide bombing as a political tool; it was factions of the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka who did so.) We can argue about why certain regions of the world still engage in such backward practices, but it is certainly the case that the OP has yet to appear to be interested in a grown-up conversation about such things, instead preferring to froth about Muslims, transsexuals and women who don’t like short men, while fetishizing Churchill. He’s practically a pathological case study all on his own. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/39 "2016-11-07T12:38:00Z")
**DerekMichaels00** , why are you content with being a bigot? Don’t you want to not be a bigoted person? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932/40 "2016-11-07T12:41:44Z")
In the interests of fighting ignorance, it’s probably worth pointing out that the Churchill quote above was explicitly in reference to non-lethal tear gas, as is clear from the expanded quote below. He was a believer in the superiority of the white race; he didn’t advocate use of WMD on Iraqis. (Conventional bombing was just fine, of course.) > [@Churchill](#): > > I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of\* lachrymatory gas.\* > > I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: _gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected_. This post is something of a distraction from the scholarly disquisition of the OP, but it has its flaws too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-islam/770932.md?page=3)