# I pit ITR Champion and his 'concerns'... **URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-itr-champion-and-his-concerns/679063 **Category:** The BBQ Pit **Created:** [January 17, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-itr-champion-and-his-concerns/679063 "2014-01-17T15:42:30Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 67
### Author: ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool) #### Post date: [February 12, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-itr-champion-and-his-concerns/679063/67 "2014-02-12T03:17:09Z")
[Best response](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17095664&postcount=52) in the latest thread: > [@Why haven't progressive ideas in California and elsewhere produced better results?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-havent-progressive-ideas-in-california-and-elsewhere-produced-better-results/680779/52): > > I’ve been away so let me sum up this thread since I last posted. > > ITR Champion: Progressive states are bad because of reasons that I’ve cherrypicked out of all the data. This is because of policies pursued by Democrats even in states when Republicans have been in power. This has nothing to do with structural issues that are dependent on those states’ differences from other states. Any good things about those states can be handwaved away because they don’t support my argument. The advantages of those states over other states with less progressive policies is also to be ignored. > > Everybody Else: The flaws in your argument are obvious. > > ITR Champion: In rebuttal, let me say that Progressive states are bad because of reasons that I’ve cherrypicked out of all the data. This is because of policies pursued by Democrats even in states when Republicans have been in power. This has nothing to do with structural issues that are dependent on those states’ differences from other states. Any good things about those states can be handwaved away because they don’t support my argument. The advantages of those states over other states with less progressive policies is also to be ignored. > > I’ll think I’ll leave again. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-itr-champion-and-his-concerns/679063)._