# I pit Jerome R. Corsi, and his Lying, Stupid Fucking Swiftboat Book. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967 "2008-08-14T12:46:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/121 "2008-08-21T14:34:10Z")
[Some background on Jerome Corsi:](http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080901/blumenthal) > [@](#): > > Corsi’s success represents the apotheosis of a long, strange trip from the furthest shores of the right into the national spotlight. During George W. Bush’s first term, Corsi was a little-known financial services marketing specialist. In 1995, according to the _Boston Globe,_ he coaxed twenty people into a shadowy investment venture in Poland that ultimately lost them a total of $1.2 million. “It ruined my career in the brokerage business, and it was a sad story for a lot of people,” said Bradley Amundson, one of those enlisted into Corsi’s bungled scheme. The FBI opened an investigation but never filed any charges. > > Corsi had dabbled off-and-on the fringes of conservative backlash politics for nearly three decades. In his spare time, which he appeared to have lots of, Corsi busied himself at his computer, firing off opinions on the far-right website Free Republic, marked by their sexual and racial obsessions. > > In a comment typical of the dozens he posted under the handle “jrlc,” Corsi wrote, “Anybody ask why HELLary couldn’t keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?” In another, he ranted, “Isn’t the Democratic Party the official SODOMIZER PROTECTION ASSOCIATION of AMERICA–oh, I forgot, it was just an accident that Clintoon’s [sic] first act in office was to promote ‘gays in the military.’ RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters–it all goes together.” > > Then he composed _Unfit For Command,_ suddenly vaulting into best-sellerdom. Surrounded by the media buzz of talk radio and Fox News, Corsi no longer plied the seamy troll-zones of the right-wing blogosphere. Overnight, he had become a conservative folk hero. But as Bush’s popularity waned during his second term, Corsi’s star dimmed. He tried to reignite it by co-authoring a book with “prophecy expert” Michael Evans, _Showdown with Nuclear Iran,_ calling on the United States and Israel to attack Iran “before it’s too late,” and another, _Black Gold Stranglehold,_ claiming to expose the Big Lie that will “enslave” Americans: “the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and a finite resource.” Corsi’s conspiracy theories consolidated his cult status, but he did not revive the brightness of his Swiftboating campaign. As another presidential election approached, however, Corsi followed his well-trod path back to renown. > > In early 2007, Corsi huddled with an old friend, Howard Phillips, a veteran conservative operative who had attempted to organize the anti-government militia movement into a cohesive political bloc during the 1990s. Corsi emerged from their discussion convinced of his destiny. He would declare his campaign for the presidential nomination of the ultra-right Constitution Party, enthusiastically embrace the party’s call for a complete halt on immigration, banning abortion even in cases of rape and incest, and upholding its official platform that the “US Constitution established a Republic under God, rather than a democracy.” With this momentous announcement, Corsi hoped to cast himself as the last, best hope to save America from the godless, globalist duocracy conspiring to merge the United States, Mexico and Canada into a “North American Union.” (His latest flop, published in 2007, was a screed entitled, \*The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada.) \* > > In July 2007, Corsi spoke before the Texas Constitution Party. At the time, he remained focused on foiling the ambitions of Hillary and Bill Clinton. “I don’t want Bill Clinton anywhere near the White House,” Corsi proclaimed. “We had enough serial rape going on when he was President.” But Corsi didn’t want a Republican in the White House either, especially not Senator John McCain. The war-scarred McCain, Corsi wrote in a column for the far-right webzine WorldNetDaily, is a possible jihadist dupe who “has enjoyed strong support from a lobbying group that backs…a Muslim terrorist group with ties to criminal drug networks and Al Qaeda.” Even George W. Bush was now treasonous. “Bush,” he told the Texas Constitution Party, “is post-America and post-God,” a figure so indebted to foreign interests that he had allowed “communist China” to “run its gunboats up the Mississippi.” In Corsi’s mind, both parties were fronts for the money-masters, the Trilateralists, the plotters of Bohemian Grove–the “elitists who want to destroy the nation-state.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/122 "2008-08-24T01:52:01Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] The conservatives, on the other hand, hate her with the burning flame of a thousand suns; her nomination as VEEP would probably increase their mobilization. [/quote] So? They generally wouldn’t vote for a Dem anyway. > [@](#): > > I don’t think the few people HRC would pick up for Obama would outweigh the negatives she would bring to the ticket. How “few” do you think they are? She had just about as much support in the primaries as he did - including a goodly fraction who were energized by her but cool towards Obama, just like vice versa. Obama needs them all, and more. Biden, however, has never excited anyone at all. He brings no support to the ticket, just some possible insulation against the GOP’s inexperience and riskiness charges. But even that amounts to letting your opponents define you and your strategy. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/123 "2008-08-24T02:00:49Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Just out of curiosity, why do you hate Obama so much? [/QUOTE] In case that was for me: Dude, what the _fuck_? I mean seriously, what the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/124 "2008-08-24T02:31:44Z")
**Elvis** , there’s a difference between voting against someone and being energized against someone. When you’re energized against someone, you not only vote against them, you campaign against them, you try to get others to vote against them, you drive people to the polls, you register new voters, etc. More than half of the Clinton voters have switched to Obama. Of the rest, more than half are still undecided. Of those, there are some who are not going to vote for Obama even if he stands on his head and sings the Hallelujah Chorus backwards. At this point they don’t care about the issues or HRC either; they just care about indulging themselves in being pissed off. But I think those are a small number. Most of the rest will probably come around to Obama, and having Joe Biden at Obama’s back will help reassure some of those who may be concerned about Obama’s experience, just as Cheney reassured some about W in 2000. Of course, that didn’t work out too well, but that was then and them. Unlike Cheney, Biden is an open, straight-talking person who has a net worth of between $100 and $150 K; he’s clearly not owned by anyone, and obviously Obama has both the understanding and the will to do the driving himself, with Biden as advisor, rather than puppeteer. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/125 "2008-08-24T02:43:56Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] Of those, there are some who are not going to vote for Obama even if he stands on his head and sings the Hallelujah Chorus backwards. At this point they don’t care about the issues or HRC either; they just care about indulging themselves in being pissed off. [/quote] You \*really \*think that’s thought-through and accurate? :dubious: The notion that there can be no plausible and acceptable reasons for someone to reach a different conclusion than you is not ever helpful to winning them over to your cause. > [@](#): > > But I think those are a small number. Last poll I saw said about 25% of Clinton supporters were actually considering McCain, and a similar number were now undecided. Now I gotta go find it, huh? > [@](#): > > Most of the rest will probably come around to Obama, and having Joe Biden at Obama’s back will help reassure some of those who may be concerned about Obama’s experience Those concerned about other things, not so much. Those concerned that Biden has the wrong kind of experience, not at all. > [@](#): > > just as Cheney reassured some about W in 2000. Of course, that didn’t work out too well, but that was then and them. Seriously, what is the difference between “then and them” and “now and our guys”? > [@](#): > > Unlike Cheney, Biden is an open, straight-talking person who has a net worth of between $100 and $150 K; he’s clearly not owned by anyone, and obviously Obama has both the understanding and the will to do the driving himself, with Biden as advisor, rather than puppeteer. Unlike Cheney? That is exactly what Cheney looked like 8 years ago, except for the wealth part. That can be portrayed as failure. Straight-talking? The guy can’t shut up. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/126 "2008-08-24T03:05:37Z")
Jesus Christ, I’m looking forward to November 5. Then we can stop eggshelling around the bitter Clinton supporters, either way it goes… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/127 "2008-08-24T03:24:05Z")
There’s other approaches you could take in the meanwhile, ones that might actually be helpful. A bit of reflection and you might hit on one or two… Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/128 "2008-08-24T03:27:48Z")
Reflection on what? I still haven’t heard a single coherent explanation for why Hillary supporters think they’ve been wronged. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/129 "2008-08-24T03:30:18Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] There’s other approaches you could take in the meanwhile, ones that might actually be helpful. A bit of reflection and you might hit on one or two… Or not. [/QUOTE] I mean, I suppose I COULD bow and kowtow and strew rose petals before you, in hopes of attracting your vote. I COULD preface every sentence I speak with “May Hillary be praised and worshipped”. I COULD carry around a photo of Hillary and kiss it every three steps, like the monks at the beginning of Holy Grail smack their Bible to their forehead. But I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/130 "2008-08-24T03:37:32Z")
Or you could discuss issues and priorities, and approaches to leadership and problem-solving. Like a grown-up would. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/131 "2008-08-24T03:59:49Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Jesus Christ, I’m looking forward to November 5. Then we can stop eggshelling around the bitter Clinton supporters, either way it goes… [/QUOTE] Them and their opposites, the will-Hillary-go-on-a-rampage types, are beyond annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/132 "2008-08-24T04:33:21Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] You \*really \*think that’s thought-through and accurate? :dubious: The notion that there can be no plausible and acceptable reasons for someone to reach a different conclusion than you is not ever helpful to winning them over to your cause. [/QUOTE] Obama’s platform is nearly identical to Hillary’s. Hillary herself has asked them to support Obama, and done so quite enthusiastically. Obama has done just about everything possible to indicate that he admires and respects her; he didn’t vet her because her life has been out in the open since 1992 - any dirt there is to find has long since come out. So yes, I’d say that the majority of people who are choosing to support someone else or no one over Obama because HRC wasn’t nominated are basically just enjoying RO. And I’ve seen some of them come out and say that it’s irrelevant what HRC says herself now. Of course, some of these are also Republican infiltrators. And the pundits keep trying to play up this great divide because it gives them something to talk about. [QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Straight-talking? The guy can’t shut up. [/QUOTE] He may occasionally talk too much (something of which he is aware), but no one ever accuses him of being manipulative, or crying crocodile tears. If anything, his flaw is that he’s a tad too blunt. Just as we used to see McCain back in 2000, before he decided that becoming President was more important than a few little principles. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/133 "2008-08-24T06:01:12Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Reflection on what? I still haven’t heard a single coherent explanation for why Hillary supporters think they’ve been wronged. [/QUOTE] Hillary: 18,000,000 votes. Biden: \< 250,000 (or so I heard) What’s so hard to undderstand? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/134 "2008-08-24T12:35:37Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] Hillary: 18,000,000 votes. Biden: \< 250,000 (or so I heard) What’s so hard to undderstand? [/QUOTE] Because that’s not how the system works, you stupid little motherfucking troll. Not too many people are all that fond of the Electoral College, but everyone who understands it is quite aware that the popular vote doesn’t matter. Same thing. But even you’re aware of that. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/135 "2008-08-24T13:14:06Z")
Hey, Joe, he’s not stupid, little, or a troll. **Magellan** , of those 18,000,000 voters, more than half are overlaps with Barack Obama. Even more are overlaps with Joe Biden. But the choice for VP isn’t as simple as your VP choice would bring along every vote s/he got in the primary. There are a small number of primary voters who won’t vote for Obama even if he picks HRC as his VEEP. They no longer care, and nothing Obama does is going to reach them. Obama is not terribly comfortable with Hillary Clinton on a personal level. That’s no reflection on either of them. It’s simply a fact. I doubt she’s terribly comfortable with him - in fact, if anything, I’d say she’s likely to be less comfortable with him than he with her. Biden is at least, if not more, qualified to be president as HRC. Obama is more comfortable with him. Obama has done everything short of genuflection to demonstrate his respect for and openness to hearing the Clinton voters. Why should he not choose Biden? Because Biden doesn’t have the negatives HRC does, and that the right wing could exploit? Isn’t that what the fuss is really about? The Republicans wanted Obama to pick Clinton so bad they could taste it, because there are so many people out there who still hate that woman, and would have been up out of there barcaloungers campaigning against her in a way that they will never be to elect John McCain. But Obama was smart enough not to nominate her. I don’t know why so many people hate her, but they do, and America is stuck with that, Obama is stuck with that, and Obama is clear-eyed enough to recognize a fact before it hits him across the face like a wet fish. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/136 "2008-08-24T15:04:27Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] Because that’s not how the system works, you stupid little motherfucking troll. Not too many people are all that fond of the Electoral College, but everyone who understands it is quite aware that the popular vote doesn’t matter. Same thing. But even you’re aware of that. -Joe [/QUOTE] Man, you’re a dumb fuck. The Electoral College is not the point here. I could just as easily have posted the delegates she accumulated. The point, Dumbfuck, was that her supporters—and many others—argue that because she did so well that she is the better choice for VP—that her nomination would consolidate and energize the party thereby improving the party’s—_and Obama’s_—chances of winning. Right or wrong, that’s a valid opinion. If you own a television and know how to turn it on you might have seen many Democratic pundits saying this over the last day and a half. My comment went specifically to **Dio’s** question, which it answers. But I guess you’re actually too stupid to realize any of this. So, carry on carrying the Idiot Flag in the Obama-is-better-than-Jesus parade. Your dumbfuckness is astounding. Truly. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/137 "2008-08-24T20:13:46Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] Hey, Joe, he’s not stupid, little, or a troll. [/QUOTE] Two out of three ain’t bad. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/138 "2008-08-24T20:21:58Z")
Seriously, just because someone doesn’t agree doesn’t make them a villain or dishonest. It makes them somone who disagrees with you. One thing I do believe is that **magellan** believes what he is saying; he’s not just saying it to provoke response, so he is not a troll. I believe he’s wrong, misguided, mistaken, bewitched, bothered, and bewildered (he believes the same about me, btw). But _not_ a troll. ETA: Also, he’s not stupid, and I don’t think he’s little. I guess he _could_ be, but there’s no particular reason to believe he is. ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/139 "2008-08-24T20:22:24Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] Man, you’re a dumb fuck. The Electoral College is not the point here. I could just as easily have posted the delegates she accumulated. The point, Dumbfuck, was that her supporters—and many others—argue that because she did so well that she is the better choice for VP—that her nomination would consolidate and energize the party thereby improving the party’s—_and Obama’s_—chances of winning. Right or wrong, that’s a valid opinion. If you own a television and know how to turn it on you might have seen many Democratic pundits saying this over the last day and a half. My comment went specifically to **Dio’s** question, which it answers. But I guess you’re actually too stupid to realize any of this. So, carry on carrying the Idiot Flag in the Obama-is-better-than-Jesus parade. Your dumbfuckness is astounding. Truly. [/QUOTE] Were you just asleep when she did all she could to make Obama lose not just the primary, but the general election? Up to and including saying that McCain would make a better president? Were you asleep when she refused to go away even after it was impossible for her to win? Were you asleep through all of her sniveling, back handed remarks, mocking, lies, and Old Politics negative campaigning? After the completely classless and pathetic performance she showed in the primary, along with ol’ Bill, Obama doesn’t owe you people shit. Go away. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967/140 "2008-08-24T20:28:36Z")
[QUOTE=ZebraShaSha] Were you just asleep when she did all she could to make Obama lose not just the primary, but the general election? Up to and including saying that McCain would make a better president? Were you asleep when she refused to go away even after it was impossible for her to win? Were you asleep through all of her sniveling, back handed remarks, mocking, lies, and Old Politics negative campaigning? After the completely classless and pathetic performance she showed in the primary, along with ol’ Bill, Obama doesn’t owe you people shit. Go away. [/QUOTE] er, **magellan** isn’t part of “you people.” He is part of The Enemy[sup]TM[/sup], a Republican:D, albeit a social moderate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jerome-r-corsi-and-his-lying-stupid-fucking-swiftboat-book/459967.md?page=8)