# I Pit Jesse Leigh: A Witnesser and an Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989 "2008-12-19T22:33:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/21 "2008-12-20T00:43:22Z")
And indeed that’s some heavy duty chaffing. Ow. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/22 "2008-12-20T00:47:38Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > She’s been nothing but polite It is possible to be polite and yet still really goddamn annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/23 "2008-12-20T00:48:11Z")
Before this goes any further, we should hear from my good friend Rick James. Rick? Rick: _She’s a Jesus-freak, Jesus-freak. She’s Jesus-freaky…_ Thanks, Rick. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/24 "2008-12-20T00:49:13Z")
Well, I’ve only seen her posts today and every single one of them makes me want to reach through the computer screen and punch her in the face. She either needs to keep her witnessing in GD or fuck right the hell off. I really don’t want to have to read about someone elses religious bullshit in the middle of a perfectly normal (non-religious) thread. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/25 "2008-12-20T00:50:30Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > It is possible to be polite and yet still really goddamn annoying. True. Wasn’t that the whole point of **Chimera** ’s recent pit thread and the other one talking about the Jovial Dick? I mean, some of the most assholish people I’ve ever known stood behind ‘firm’ politeese. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/26 "2008-12-20T00:52:19Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > It is possible to be polite and yet still really goddamn annoying. I have to say, her politeness smacks of smarmy passive-aggression. I have a picture of her in my mind’s of looking like The Church Lady. There’s a “Bless your heart! Jesus loves you, you godless, Hellbound sinner!” tone to everything she says, but she says it covered in honey so that people will think she’s nice. She might be saying really obnoxious shit, but she says it so purty that people will say, “But she’s been nothing but polite, how dare you criticize her, you ass!” Also, what alice said. Jesse Leigh likes to divert conversations onto her topic of choice, which is Jesus/the Bible. When this is pointed out, she gets all faux-hurt and acts like everyone (read: Godless heathens) are just trying to silence her point of view. It’s annoying as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/27 "2008-12-20T00:56:46Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Also, what alice said. Jesse Leigh likes to divert conversations onto her topic of choice, which is Jesus/the Bible. When this is pointed out, she gets all faux-hurt and acts like everyone (read: Godless heathens) are just trying to silence her point of view. It’s annoying as fuck. I wonder if I could get my dog to shit on her lawn… ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/28 "2008-12-20T01:01:27Z")
[QUOTE=Jesse Leigh] I don’t know the expression of your faith, but why d’you suppose Jesus told humankind to ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’? [/quote] It seems to mean that if you hate yourself, Jesus is giving you the OK to be a total dick to other people. Cool. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/29 "2008-12-20T01:16:07Z")
Jesus is my Buckeye. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/30 "2008-12-20T01:17:28Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Stating things like, “Everyone loves themselves. I know this is true because the Bible tells us so!” might not be witnessing, but it is a less than compelling form of argumentation. It’s also somewhat insensitive to post in a thread about parents who don’t love their children, leaving the children (some of whom were posting in that thread) with a deep and abiding sense of self-loathing. Wait, huh? She posts this as her first post in that thread: > [@Do parents ever hate their own kids for any reason?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-parents-ever-hate-their-own-kids-for-any-reason/477832/21): > > G’morning FS! > > My mother died holding fast to the declaration that she didn’t want or love me, as did my father. They both loved my two younger brothers but they never wanted a girl - especially one who wasn’t remotely like either of them. If it weren’t for DNA and physical resemblence, I’d have believed they found me on the doorstep. She notes that her parents did not love her. So you’re saying that she’s being insensitive to herself? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/31 "2008-12-20T01:20:39Z")
Huh. I really thought she was being sincere. Guess I got wooshed. I even welcomed her to the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/32 "2008-12-20T01:37:54Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > She notes that her parents did not love her. So you’re saying that she’s being insensitive to herself? :dubious: You totally missed my point. She may feel that she loves herself despite her lack of parental love, and if she only spoke for herself, no problem. However, she said that EVERYONE loves themselves, because the Bible says so. Not, the Bible directs us to do so, so it would be good if we all did. No-- the Bible takes it as a given, and she herself has never met someone who didn’t love him or herself. Others in that thread said that they or people they know have experienced poor self-esteem and self-loathing as a result of their parents’ actions, and she was discounting their feelings and experiences, citing the Bible as a basis for telling them how they felt. She was also dismissing the idea that some parents don’t love their children because they did not first love themselves, and therefore are incapable of loving their children. That seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for why people are unable to love their kids, but not to Jesse, because the Bible says everyone loves themselves. When she was called on this as not being correct, she went on to say that 2.1 billion Christians think it’s so, but OK, if you don’t want to hear my point of view, FINE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/33 "2008-12-20T02:41:36Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > You totally missed my point. Evidently since I’m still not seeing it. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > She may feel that she loves herself despite her lack of parental love, and if she only spoke for herself, no problem. However, she said that EVERYONE loves themselves, because the Bible says so. No, she didn’t. She wrote: > [@Do parents ever hate their own kids for any reason?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-parents-ever-hate-their-own-kids-for-any-reason/477832/30): > > Well, I’m not going to argue the point, fessie. (By the way, I’m not a Mr. 😉 ) > > I don’t know the expression of your faith, but why d’you suppose Jesus told humankind to **‘Love your neighbor as yourself’?** > > Biblically, it’s a given that all people love themselves. > > Just a point to ponder. > > Have a fabulous day! - Jesse. First she noted that she’s not arguing the point, so she can’t be using the Bible to back up her claim since she’s not making a claim. Second, she noted that she didn’t know the expression of the other person’s faith which leaves open the possibility that other people have different belief systems and don’t necessarily believe as she does. Third, (I’m leaving this point blank in defiance.) 😃 Fourth, she said it’s just a point to ponder. She didn’t say that everyone should believe it as well. From my own perspective, since I don’t know hers, I think you misunderstood her point. I personally believe that everyone loves themselves is true because at the very base level, they have a preservation instinct. And while people might not like themselves much and try to hurt themselves, this primal instinct can be deemed a type of love as mentioned in the Bible. Do I like people spitting out Bible verses in posts? Not so much. But I also think there are ways to combat the lack of logic that are better than just making blanket statements. A better response to her “why d’you suppose” question might be to note that the Bible might say that because it may be written by people who felt that way at one time. . or whatever it is you suppose. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > She was also dismissing the idea that some parents don’t love their children because they did not first love themselves, and therefore are incapable of loving their children. That seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for why people are unable to love their kids, but not to Jesse, because the Bible says everyone loves themselves. When she was called on this as not being correct, she went on to say that 2.1 billion Christians think it’s so, but OK, if you don’t want to hear my point of view, FINE!!! Again, I disagree with your characterization of her reply. Her post is here: > [@Do parents ever hate their own kids for any reason?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-parents-ever-hate-their-own-kids-for-any-reason/477832/38): > > G’morning Soul Brother Number Two! > > Then we agree to disagree, yes? This is what discussion boards are for. I have my life and the experiences I’ve gained from it and the beliefs I hold to be true, as you have yours. Why is it when I say something that involves love or the Bible it’s ‘Witnessing,’ but when you disparage it - it’s just… what is it exactly? :rolleyes: > > [How many Christians are there worldwide? - Answers](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Christians_are_there_worldwide) > > There are _billions_ of Christians (2.1) in the world who hold to a Biblical wordview. Others, like yourself, bear WITNESS to whatever it is they believe in. My viewpoint is no less valid than yours anymore than my _opinion_ is necessarily ‘Witnessing.’ **Soul Brother Number Two** accused her of witnessing. She disagreed saying that she was just giving her opinion based on her worldview. She was just noting that her view was not less valid than his and noted that others believed as she did, although perhaps not a lot of people here at the SDMB believe as she does. **Soul Brother Number Two** went on to agree with her later, evidencing that she did have a point. She didn’t use the power of the numbers to prove her point, and she didn’t walk away in a huff as you suggest. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/34 "2008-12-20T02:47:05Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Evidently since I’m still not seeing it. > No, she didn’t. She wrote: > > First she noted that she’s not arguing the point, so she can’t be using the Bible to back up her claim since she’s not making a claim. > Second, she noted that she didn’t know the expression of the other person’s faith which leaves open the possibility that other people have different belief systems and don’t necessarily believe as she does. > Third, (I’m leaving this point blank in defiance.) 😃 > Fourth, she said it’s just a point to ponder. She didn’t say that everyone should believe it as well. > > From my own perspective, since I don’t know hers, I think you misunderstood her point. I personally believe that everyone loves themselves is true because at the very base level, they have a preservation instinct. And while people might not like themselves much and try to hurt themselves, this primal instinct can be deemed a type of love as mentioned in the Bible. > > Do I like people spitting out Bible verses in posts? Not so much. > > But I also think there are ways to combat the lack of logic that are better than just making blanket statements. > > A better response to her “why d’you suppose” question might be to note that the Bible might say that because it may be written by people who felt that way at one time. . or whatever it is you suppose. > Again, I disagree with your characterization of her reply. Her post is here: > > **Soul Brother Number Two** accused her of witnessing. She disagreed saying that she was just giving her opinion based on her worldview. She was just noting that her view was not less valid than his and noted that others believed as she did, although perhaps not a lot of people here at the SDMB believe as she does. > **Soul Brother Number Two** went on to agree with her later, evidencing that she did have a point. > She didn’t use the power of the numbers to prove her point, and she didn’t walk away in a huff as you suggest. Exactly. I didn’t say that I agreed with her, or that she had a good argument, or anything. I just disagreed that she was witnessing (a fact that the original accuser in the thread later felt as well, as **Heffalump** said) and that saying so and opening a pit thread is rather rude. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/35 "2008-12-20T03:02:01Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Evidently since I’m still not seeing it. > No, she didn’t. Yes, she did. “Biblically, it’s a given that all people love themselves” means just that. In a previous post she says “I don’t believe I’ve met a person who doesn’t love themself. They may not like themself, have no self-confidence, and/or have a host of other ‘self’ issues, but ultimately all humans love themselves.” Not, “I believe all humans have a survival instinct” or “I think, deep down, everyone has some positive feeling in there.” No, nothing of that level of subtlety was in evidence. > [@](#): > > First she noted that she’s not arguing the point, so she can’t be using the Bible to back up her claim since she’s not making a claim. Saying you’re not making a claim or not arguing the point doesn’t negate the fact that she IS making a claim and she IS arguing a point. She’s just doing it passive-aggressively. > [@](#): > > Second, she noted that she didn’t know the expression of the other person’s faith which leaves open the possibility that other people have different belief systems and don’t necessarily believe as she does. That’s her backpedal after she stated her opinion as fact and was called on it. > [@](#): > > Third, (I’m leaving this point blank in defiance.) 😃 Lick my hairy nutsack you crazy ass bitch. > [@](#): > > Fourth, she said it’s just a point to ponder. She didn’t say that everyone should believe it as well. What-the-fuck-ever. She’s using the Bible verse as refutation of the idea that there are people who don’t love themselves, and then saying, “If I’m wrong, then why did Jesus say this? Hmmm? Think about it!” That’s arguing the point. > [@](#): > > From my own perspective, since I don’t know hers, I think you misunderstood her point. I personally believe that everyone loves themselves is true because at the very base level, they have a preservation instinct. And while people might not like themselves much and try to hurt themselves, this primal instinct can be deemed a type of love as mentioned in the Bible. Wow, in defense of her bullshit, you are really putting your own little spin on this, aren’t you? She didn’t say that at all; that’s your interpretation/justification for her comments. And I think you are wrong-- there are people who hate themselves enough to commit suicide, and to undermine their own self-interest and happiness at every turn. You disagree, fine, but dragging Jesus and the Bible into this isn’t going to bolster your argument any. > [@](#): > > A better response to her “why d’you suppose” question might be to note that the Bible might say that because it may be written by people who felt that way at one time. . or whatever it is you suppose. Some people in that thread “supposed” that she was disregarding the experiences of others based on what she read in the Bible, and that she was reading the Bible inaccurately. I don’t see how that’s a blanket statement, it’s a direct refutation of her blanket statement. > [@](#): > > Again, I disagree with your characterization of her reply. Shocking! > [@](#): > > **Soul Brother Number Two** accused her of witnessing. Which she was, and which she has done before. > [@](#): > > She disagreed saying that she was just giving her opinion based on her worldview. She was just noting that her view was not less valid than his and noted that others believed as she did, although perhaps not a lot of people here at the SDMB believe as she does. Being a Christian does not give you the right to dismiss or invalidate what other people claim are their own genuine feelings. Their experiences are not subject to refutation by her opinion, nor is her worldview relevant to how they feel. She can hold whatever opinion she wants, but telling people they are wrong about their feelings because her belief and her Bible trump that is condescending and rude. > [@](#): > > **Soul Brother Number Two** went on to agree with her later, evidencing that she did have a point. I don’t think his agreement with her means that she’s right. It means he’s a nice guy who felt bad for flaming The Church Lady. I don’t think she deserved that apology. > [@](#): > > She didn’t use the power of the numbers to prove her point, and she didn’t walk away in a huff as you suggest. I didn’t say she “walked away in a huff.” I feel I accurately characterized her “2.1 billion Christians post.” I’m not surprised you don’t agree with me, and I don’t much care either. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/36 "2008-12-20T03:05:58Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Maybe she has witnessed before, but the mere mention that HER world view comes from a Biblical stand point is not witnessing- it’s just expressing her view point. She’s witnessing because she says it in _every fucking post_. ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/37 "2008-12-20T03:15:15Z")
Wow, I agree with **Rubystreak.** Some days wonders never cease. Jesse is obnoxious. She has that same feel that the passive aggressive old lady from like Seattle or thereabouts. What the hell was that bitch’s name? Came around stirred the pot, I think \*\*What Exit \*\*pitted her for being a sanctimonious bitch. She disappeared soon after. Maybe she found God and came back to enlighten us. I could care less what her religion is, it’s just another vehicle for her craziness. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/38 "2008-12-20T03:21:03Z")
> [@fisha](#): > > Wow, I agree with **Rubystreak.** Some days wonders never cease. Hey, it’s a Christmas miracle! > [@](#): > > What the hell was that bitch’s name? Came around stirred the pot, I think \*\*What Exit \*\*pitted her for being a sanctimonious bitch. She disappeared soon after. Maybe she found God and came back to enlighten us. Quiddity Glomfuster? > [@](#): > > I could care less what her religion is, it’s just another vehicle for her craziness. Word~ ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/39 "2008-12-20T03:31:20Z")
> [@Jesse Leigh](#): > > My mother died holding fast to the declaration that she didn’t want or love me, as did my father. Can’t say I blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Vox\_Imperatoris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Vox\_Imperatoris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vox_Imperatoris)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989/40 "2008-12-20T03:45:36Z")
Holy Crap! She has [eight](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10596450&postcount=83) freaking kids! Valete, Vox Imperatoris ETA: **fisha** — **Carol Stream**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989.md?page=3)