# I Pit Jesse Leigh: A Witnesser and an Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989 "2008-12-19T22:33:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 33
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> [@Rubystreak](#): > > You totally missed my point. Evidently since I’m still not seeing it. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > She may feel that she loves herself despite her lack of parental love, and if she only spoke for herself, no problem. However, she said that EVERYONE loves themselves, because the Bible says so. No, she didn’t. She wrote: > [@Do parents ever hate their own kids for any reason?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-parents-ever-hate-their-own-kids-for-any-reason/477832/30): > > Well, I’m not going to argue the point, fessie. (By the way, I’m not a Mr. 😉 ) > > I don’t know the expression of your faith, but why d’you suppose Jesus told humankind to **‘Love your neighbor as yourself’?** > > Biblically, it’s a given that all people love themselves. > > Just a point to ponder. > > Have a fabulous day! - Jesse. First she noted that she’s not arguing the point, so she can’t be using the Bible to back up her claim since she’s not making a claim. Second, she noted that she didn’t know the expression of the other person’s faith which leaves open the possibility that other people have different belief systems and don’t necessarily believe as she does. Third, (I’m leaving this point blank in defiance.) 😃 Fourth, she said it’s just a point to ponder. She didn’t say that everyone should believe it as well. From my own perspective, since I don’t know hers, I think you misunderstood her point. I personally believe that everyone loves themselves is true because at the very base level, they have a preservation instinct. And while people might not like themselves much and try to hurt themselves, this primal instinct can be deemed a type of love as mentioned in the Bible. Do I like people spitting out Bible verses in posts? Not so much. But I also think there are ways to combat the lack of logic that are better than just making blanket statements. A better response to her “why d’you suppose” question might be to note that the Bible might say that because it may be written by people who felt that way at one time. . or whatever it is you suppose. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > She was also dismissing the idea that some parents don’t love their children because they did not first love themselves, and therefore are incapable of loving their children. That seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for why people are unable to love their kids, but not to Jesse, because the Bible says everyone loves themselves. When she was called on this as not being correct, she went on to say that 2.1 billion Christians think it’s so, but OK, if you don’t want to hear my point of view, FINE!!! Again, I disagree with your characterization of her reply. Her post is here: > [@Do parents ever hate their own kids for any reason?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-parents-ever-hate-their-own-kids-for-any-reason/477832/38): > > G’morning Soul Brother Number Two! > > Then we agree to disagree, yes? This is what discussion boards are for. I have my life and the experiences I’ve gained from it and the beliefs I hold to be true, as you have yours. Why is it when I say something that involves love or the Bible it’s ‘Witnessing,’ but when you disparage it - it’s just… what is it exactly? :rolleyes: > > [How many Christians are there worldwide? - Answers](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Christians_are_there_worldwide) > > There are _billions_ of Christians (2.1) in the world who hold to a Biblical wordview. Others, like yourself, bear WITNESS to whatever it is they believe in. My viewpoint is no less valid than yours anymore than my _opinion_ is necessarily ‘Witnessing.’ **Soul Brother Number Two** accused her of witnessing. She disagreed saying that she was just giving her opinion based on her worldview. She was just noting that her view was not less valid than his and noted that others believed as she did, although perhaps not a lot of people here at the SDMB believe as she does. **Soul Brother Number Two** went on to agree with her later, evidencing that she did have a point. She didn’t use the power of the numbers to prove her point, and she didn’t walk away in a huff as you suggest. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jesse-leigh-a-witnesser-and-an-ass/477989)._