# I pit Jon "War Machine" Koppenhaver **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2014, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496 "2014-08-14T07:04:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/21 "2014-08-14T20:54:15Z")
“Honestly, do they give out a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry?” ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/22 "2014-08-14T21:03:58Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Then he beat her badly enough to break bones, THEN he raped her. According to Mack he said he was going to rape her but then couldn’t get an erection. It’s like he’s trying to succeed Joe Son as the MMA world’s biggest asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/23 "2014-08-14T21:35:32Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Suicide or Suicide by cop would not surprise me. Me neither, it sounds like he’s building himself up for a ‘high’ before it all comes crashing down on him. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/24 "2014-08-14T22:07:25Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > According to Mack he said he was going to rape her but then couldn’t get an erection. I’ll bet money he blamed her for that, too. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Jay4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f1d935/32.png) [@Jay4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay4)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/25 "2014-08-15T03:46:43Z")
if he has beaten her before.then i dont feel sorry for her,why stay with a douche like that in the first place ---
**Author:** ![mage-girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@mage-girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mage-girl)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/26 "2014-08-15T05:36:18Z")
> [@Jay4](#): > > if he has beaten her before.then i dont feel sorry for her,why stay with a douche like that in the first place 1. What a horrible thing to say about this woman you don’t even personally know! I suppose you’ve never misjudged someone before, like she did? :dubious: 2. He was her EX-BOYFRIEND. Technically, they were no longer together. 3. Everyone makes mistakes. We could point and laugh, but we should be better people than that, particularly when someone is seriously hurt. 4. You made me post in the Pit, dammit, which I hate to do. Oh well, you brought this on yourself. :smacks you with my keyboard: ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/27 "2014-08-15T11:41:10Z")
> [@mage-girl](#): > > 1. He was her EX-BOYFRIEND. Technically, they were no longer together. And this precisely is why many women don’t leave abusers - fear of what he will do to them if they **really** make him mad. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/28 "2014-08-15T11:54:12Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > According to Mack he said he was going to rape her but then couldn’t get an erection. > > It’s like he’s trying to succeed Joe Son as the MMA world’s biggest asshole. Speaking only of guys who fought at the UFC level, I think War Machine settles comfortably in the Top 3 right now, between #1 Joe Son, and #3 [Jeremy Jackson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Jackson_(fighter)), who is currently serving 25 to life for raping his ex-girlfriend at gunpoint. In other current MMA news, [Josh Grispi](http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/8/6/5975701/former-ufc-fighter-josh-grispi-arrested-twice-in-four-days-for) has to be climbing the charts right now. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/29 "2014-08-15T12:25:04Z")
> [@Jay4](#): > > if he has beaten her before.then i dont feel sorry for her,why stay with a douche like that in the first place I’d institute physical disfigurement for posting such idiocy as you just did waaaa…aay before I made it compulsory for staying with an abuser. (The … represents an infinity of a’s, by the way.) ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/30 "2014-08-15T12:30:23Z")
> [@mage-girl](#): > > 1. What a horrible thing to say about this woman you don’t even personally know! I suppose you’ve never misjudged someone before, like she did? :dubious: > > 2. He was her EX-BOYFRIEND. Technically, they were no longer together. > > 3. Everyone makes mistakes. We could point and laugh, but we should be better people than that, particularly when someone is seriously hurt. > > 4. You made me post in the Pit, dammit, which I hate to do. Oh well, you brought this on yourself. :smacks you with my keyboard: I’m sorry, but the number of times we go back for a beating decreases, not increases, any sympathy we may receive, even though it adds up to greater sum beating. That’s the social math of it. But either way, it doesn’t matter. Sympathy for the abused won’t change them making themselves available for abuse, any more than will scorn for going back again and again. Because even though the abuse is a plain as the broken nose on their faces, it not why they return: they return out of false hope. It’s not about what the abuser does \*to \*them, it’s about what the abuser does _for_ them that they have to confront, and often that’s a truth they (we) are less unwilling to face than abuse. “But he’s a good provider” = “I’m really insecure about my ability to provide for myself.” “But he really compliments my self-image as a hot rocker chick” = “I have an incredibly superficial self-image.” “My partner has all kinds of demons” = “I’ll put up with anything if I get to be seen as an angel.” etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/31 "2014-08-15T12:45:21Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > While they were together she got “Property of…” inked on herself, now he lays claim to that. Horrible. More chillingly, he has “MACK” tattooed on the front of his neck in six-inch letters. When asked, in an interview conducted with both of them, what he would do with the tattoo if they ever broke up, he said, “I’ll just put R.I.P. in front of it and mourn my dead girlfriend.” Mack then said, with a giggle, “_I’d probably deserve it._” I’m not blaming the victim in any way here, and War Machine deserves to go away to prison for a long time this time, as it will be his third violent conviction if he is convicted, but…she is crazy. Who knows what kinds of brokenness and pressures are inside her that would keep driving her back to this psychopathic asshole? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/32 "2014-08-15T13:09:08Z")
> [@Jay4](#): > > if he has beaten her before.then i dont feel sorry for her,why stay with a douche like that in the first place Women (and men) in abusive relationships tend to stay in them for a variety of reasons. Fear, economic dependence, psychological dependence (think of it like Stockholm Syndrome), social pressure, familial pressure (mothers telling daughters that they should support their men no matter what, etc.) and so on. It’s a [well-documented phenomenon](http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/get-educated/compelling-reasons-women-stay/). In any event, she had left him a year earlier. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/33 "2014-08-15T13:09:24Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > More chillingly, he has “MACK” tattooed on the front of his neck in six-inch letters. When asked, in an interview conducted with both of them, what he would do with the tattoo if they ever broke up, he said, “I’ll just put R.I.P. in front of it and mourn my dead girlfriend.” Mack then said, with a giggle, “_I’d probably deserve it._” Yeesh… serious BWS going down there? He apparently once posted on Twitter _“Just raped @ChristyMack She tried to make me wait until “after errands” As if!”_ Predictable shitstorm ensued and \*both \*of them had to make a whole lot of “JK! JK! He’s never raped anyone” posts in response. What a dear boy. He drips with class. We should invite him to High Tea. I particularly like his self pitying tweets to the effect that nobody will believe his side of the story. Dude, you used your fighting skills to destroy a much smaller woman while letting her live long enough to suffer it (I suppose he could argue that had he really wanted her dead it would have been over fast), WTH would be a good explanation? She was being controlled by alien demons? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/34 "2014-08-15T13:12:44Z")
His story is that he found her that way. I don’t know how he explained the “after he broke into her house” part. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/35 "2014-08-15T15:01:19Z")
> [@naita](#): > > I’d institute physical disfigurement for posting such idiocy as you just did waaaa…aay before I made it compulsory for staying with an abuser. (The … represents an infinity of a’s, by the way.) But if you do that, then the rest of the sentence never happens. You’re post just says: > [@](#): > > I’d institute physical disfigurement for posting such idiocy as you just did waaaa… ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/36 "2014-08-15T15:35:47Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > I’m sorry, but the number of times we go back for a beating decreases, not increases, any sympathy we may receive, even though it adds up to greater sum beating. That’s the social math of it. As noted, she stopped going back to him. A year ago, apparently. And yes, she’s screwed up. Even moreso now, I’m sure. So, how long of a separation does it take before she deserves more than a shrug and “eh, she’s crazy”? ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/37 "2014-08-15T15:57:26Z")
Why does every news report about this refer to her as “Porn Star Christy Mack”? Whether she’s in porn or not really isn’t relevant and continually identifying her as a porn star is classless. Why not take it a step further and identify her as “Porn Star Christy Mac, who appeared in such films as Anal Addicts, Triple Deep Throaters and Gang Bang Queens, …”. Gives it an unnecessary flavor of “took a severe beating but she DOES live a dirty life…”. I don’t care what she does for a living, that motherfucker needs to be castrated then locked up. Hopefully Dog and Beth with tase him right up the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/38 "2014-08-15T16:06:30Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Why does every news report about this refer to her as “Porn Star Christy Mack”? Whether she’s in porn or not really isn’t relevant and continually identifying her as a porn star is classless. Why not take it a step further and identify her as “Porn Star Christy Mac, who appeared in such films as Anal Addicts, Triple Deep Throaters and Gang Bang Queens, …”. Gives it an unnecessary flavor of “took a severe beating but she DOES live a dirty life…”. > > I don’t care what she does for a living, that motherfucker needs to be castrated then locked up. Hopefully Dog and Beth with tase him right up the ass. I dunno, celebrities are usually identified by some indication of why they’re famous in reporting on their personal lives. Google “comedian Robin Willams” to see several thousand recent examples. So I don’t think prefacing her name with “porn star” is done to up the scandal factor. Its just following the usual formula from media style-guides. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/39 "2014-08-15T16:15:47Z")
> [@naita](#): > > I’d institute physical disfigurement for posting such idiocy as you just did waaaa…aay before I made it compulsory for staying with an abuser. (The … represents an infinity of a’s, by the way.) So then, aaaaaa… = b? ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/40 "2014-08-15T16:40:55Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I dunno, celebrities are usually identified by some indication of why they’re famous in reporting on their personal lives. Google “comedian Robin Willams” to see several thousand recent examples. > > So I don’t think prefacing her name with “porn star” is done to up the scandal factor. Its just following the usual formula from media style-guides. I’m pretty sure it was done to sensationalize the story. Neither of these two was well-known outside of their particular professions; if you asked a bunch of people on the street last week who Jon Koppenhaver or Christy Mack was, I doubt that 1% of them would know. By contrast, ask them about Robin Williams or LeBron James and most people would know. If the story was “Jon Koppenhaver wanted in connection with brutal beating of Christy Mack”, it’d be local news at best. But mention “Professional MMA Fighter!” and “Porn Star!” and you’ve got a national story - those are unusual occupations and they grab your attention and that’s why it’s getting all that publicity. If he was a plumber and she worked at Starbucks this wouldn’t be a blip on the radar. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad it’s getting publicity and I hope that this reminds people how severe a problem domestic violence is, but let’s be honest - this is a story with sensational elements to it. Heck, I’m sure that Dog Chapman has hunted down his share of fugitive furniture salesman but you don’t see him tweeting about that all over the place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496.md?page=3)