# I pit Jon "War Machine" Koppenhaver **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2014, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496 "2014-08-14T07:04:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/61 "2014-08-16T14:51:40Z")
So he’s on the lam from the law and he’s physically assaulting ANOTHER woman in PUBLIC to enough of an extent that he gets reported to the police. This guy is so dumb and violent he discredits not only the MMA and porn industries, he also discredits the war machines he named himself after, some of which are intelligent enough to only go after their intended targets. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/62 "2014-08-16T20:27:47Z")
> [@Jay4](#): > > im sure he will.women nowadays get more rights then men,so he will get screwed one way or another.not that i am defending him,but this will probably be another example of why people should put a stop to the feminism garbage in america today Go away, scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/63 "2014-08-17T13:57:06Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > But if you do that, then the rest of the sentence never happens. You’re post just says: Are you calling me a post? You yellow-bellied sapsucker! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/64 "2014-08-17T17:22:32Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Huh? > > Which rock did you climb out from under? The ones thrown in the ultra-bitter Men’s Rights Movement end of the pool, it would seem. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/65 "2014-08-18T01:22:58Z")
I don’t think it really matters because what he did is not excusable, but I noticed in the police report that she did identify him as her boyfriend and their relationship was currently “on.” That might make it worse for him legally, I don’t know. It also doesn’t support her story that they’ve been broken up for months and he showed up out of nowhere. Of course, her story was meant to bring her more sympathy in a case where she was the victim and really shouldn’t need to convince anyone who is in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/66 "2014-08-19T15:18:44Z")
Police report is available here, for those with a strong stomach (warning, PDF): [http://tnspullzone.tapnapsnap.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/war-machine-arrest-report\_new.pdf](http://tnspullzone.tapnapsnap.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/war-machine-arrest-report_new.pdf) Charges include multiple counts of battery with substantial bodily harm, strangulation, kidnapping, attempted murder and just to top it all off, “open and gross lewdness”. I think he’s going to have to change his name to “License Plate Machine”. And in this case I’m sad to read that Ms. Mack’s two pit bulls did _not_ live up to the bad reputation of their breed and maul Koppenhaver. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/67 "2014-08-19T15:34:44Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > Charges include multiple counts of battery with substantial bodily harm, strangulation, kidnapping, attempted murder and just to top it all off, “open and gross lewdness”. Open and gross lewdness _in Nevada_. Wow. [Info on what exactly “open and gross lewdness” means in Nevada.](http://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/open-lewdness.html) Halfway down the page is this reassurance: [QUOTE=Las Vegas Defense Group] Charged with Open or Gross Lewdness? Call us for help… [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/68 "2014-08-19T15:41:11Z")
After reading the police report, am i crazy to find it sort of hilarious that this guy drives a Toyota Prius? That is NOT what i expected. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/69 "2014-08-19T15:57:33Z")
To those who are trying to make the point, “yes, but he’s a known violent creep, why would she get up with him in the first place?” I would like to also make the point: What? It never occurred to you that maybe she wasn’t really a willing girlfriend? You don’t think a guy like that can’t coerce and bully someone into dating him? You think an abuser can’t be all charming and “I’m just kidding; I would never do that _to you_.”? Yes, dude put up some red flags from the get-go. But that doesn’t mean Ms. Mac was all, “Oh, he won’t hurt me.” Having been in similar situations, I’d wager her attitude was more like, “Well, this will be like work, only instead of getting paid, I might not get beaten to death.” Either way, the victim blaming and perpetrator excusing is making me ill. I’m with the OP: dude needs to be put down like a rabid dog. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/70 "2014-08-19T16:00:53Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > After reading the police report, am i crazy to find it sort of hilarious that this guy drives a Toyota Prius? > > That is NOT what i expected. Well evidently he just loves Mother Earth and he’s a big ole’ softie with a romantic heart. However judging by his behavior when his plans to propose went awry I wouldn’t want to be at the Toyota dealership when he finds out that the new plugin Prius gets better mileage than his 2012 model. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/71 "2014-08-19T18:00:15Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > I think he’s going to have to change his name to “License Plate Machine”. Or ‘Prison-Industrial Complex’. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/72 "2014-08-19T19:34:15Z")
I find Jay4’s post bizarre. If it’s a tenet of feminism to be against women being brutally beaten and raped, I think he will find that almost everyone in America is a feminist in that respect, cause really it’s just a matter of basic human decency. OTOH, I don’t think anyone on the Men’s Right movement advocates for men’s rights to brutally beat women. This just is not a political issue. There may a handful of extreme fringe nutjobs and complete idiots supporting War Machine, but no one that a sane person would take seriously. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/73 "2014-08-19T22:38:24Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I find Jay4’s post bizarre. The club; join it. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/74 "2014-08-20T04:22:24Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > OTOH, I don’t think anyone on the Men’s Right movement advocates for men’s rights to brutally beat women. No, MRA’s are pretty regularly down with the idea of beating women bloody. They just want an opening, like catching a woman disrespecting a man or putting her hands on him for some reason. Then it’s anything goes and bitch had it coming. I won’t link to examples because of board wars but a little googling will find you plenty of examples. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/75 "2014-08-20T05:19:06Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > No, MRA’s are pretty regularly down with the idea of beating women bloody. They just want an opening, like catching a woman disrespecting a man or putting her hands on him for some reason. Then it’s anything goes and bitch had it coming. I won’t link to examples because of board wars but a little googling will find you plenty of examples. I think I will need a cite for this. It does not strike me as a credible claim. ---
**Author:** ![MickNickMaggies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@MickNickMaggies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MickNickMaggies)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/76 "2014-08-20T10:32:50Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I think I will need a cite for this. It does not strike me as a credible claim. Try Reddit’s redpill to start with. A link to a link, because…brrr…[What Is the Red Pill? - Business Insider](http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8) From there find the looney tune who claims his mother is a ‘murderer’ and deserves to be treated as such for not buying him sex/having sex with him. In fact, my posting this may summon him, so you won’t even have to google. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/77 "2014-08-20T11:54:57Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Are you calling me a post? You yellow-bellied sapsucker! 😉 I’m not _not_ calling you a post. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/78 "2014-08-20T16:17:50Z")
> [@MickNickMaggies](#): > > Try Reddit’s redpill to start with. A link to a link, because…brrr…[What Is the Red Pill? - Business Insider](http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8) > > From there find the looney tune who claims his mother is a ‘murderer’ and deserves to be treated as such for not buying him sex/having sex with him. > > In fact, my posting this may summon him, so you won’t even have to google. I followed the link to the oh-so-scary redpill site and found a[discussion of the War Machine story](http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2dlj7u/discussion_of_porn_star_christie_mack_and_her/) and read all the comments. Did not see a single post that said War Machine’s behavior was justified. Nothing at all along the lines of “That ho seriously deserved the smacking around she got, man! A ho who cheats on her man gonna get BUSTED UP.” The closest I could find was a comment that “Some chicks like being abused.” I’ll grant you this leads toward the general conclusion that “she was asking for it, therefore it was OK that she got it” but nobody actually went there. Most of the posts described War Machine as “sick” “crazy” and “fucked up.” Most described what he did as wrong in various ways. Most thought War Machine was a fool for getting “oneitis” over a porn star, and that it was indicative of his general craziness. 'Overcompensating bitch boy" seemed to be the general conclusion about him. To judge from the thread, War Machine is quite unpopular among redpillers. In short, I think the thread supports my contention that MRAs do not embrace War Machine’s actions. But if you feel differently, the comments are right there in the link, feel free to make your case. (I’m not sure if redpillers are all that representative of MRAs, my experience of them comes more from [Karen Straughan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEO-ADIniag&list=UUcmnLu5cGUGeLy744WS-fsg), who’s much more of an intellectual type.) MRA’s generally seem to be people who have “otherized” women, who are having trouble seeing women as human beings like themselves, first and foremost. They see the differences but not all the similariities, much like many gender feminists wrt men. ---
**Author:** ![MickNickMaggies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@MickNickMaggies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MickNickMaggies)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/79 "2014-08-20T18:58:47Z")
It’s that ‘otherising’ as you put it, that creates the problem. Women aren’t human to them. And this guy, he’s the so-called ‘alpha male’ they all despise and, as per my first link, want to become. And its not that a find redpill scary. I find it stomach-churning. Not the height of their weird thinking, but [Reddit - Dive into anything](http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2dig0y/why_you_should_be_wary_of_any_girl_who_has_been/) The hate ‘alphas’. Want to be ‘alphas’. Think that a ‘bitch with shitty personality’ got what was coming to her for dating alpha, not them. Obviously, you have to treat them mean to keep them keen. Which they would never, never, do. Except that they think that’s the only way to get a woman. Cue the ‘incels’ who then think their mothers are murderers for not blowing them. The puahate community idolises Elliot Rodgers. Why? Because he knew that these bitches are subhuman and needed to be shown that. It’s all various shades of disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496/80 "2014-10-17T23:48:26Z")
“MMA fighter War Machine attempts suicide in jail, report says” > **[MMA fighter War Machine attempts suicide in jail, report says | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/justice/mma-fighter-suicide-attempt/index.html)** > > Mixed martial arts fighter Jonathan Koppenhaver, who is accused of attacking his ex-girlfriend, tried to kill himself in detention, authorities say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-jon-war-machine-koppenhaver/695496.md?page=5)