# I pit Kris Kobach **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561 "2014-09-05T07:25:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/341 "2014-09-16T15:01:58Z")
You can watch it live: [The #1 Source For Domain Names | HugeDomains](http://live.kscourts.org/live.php) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/342 "2014-09-16T15:06:14Z")
Justice hearing the case: "Seems like the process of acknowledgment is “loosey-goosey” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/343 "2014-09-16T15:07:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But I’m not sure if it’s legally relevant. It’s certainly relevant to the estoppel issue. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/344 "2014-09-16T15:09:58Z")
From the live tweets: “Justice says Rickel letter says candidate was incapable of campaigning, not duties of the office.” ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/345 "2014-09-16T15:22:41Z")
Apparently there were additional previous letters provided later that were not quite as favorable to Kobach’s case, and they had to concede that “substantial” compliance with the law was sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/346 "2014-09-16T15:24:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, shit! Here I was, thinking it might actually be a significant point. > > But no. Missed it by _that_ much! I said “not sure.” I meant “not sure.” As I explained in some detail above, I was trying to read the tea leaves. It’s very relevant to the estoppel issue. But my concern was that based on the court’s declaration of not needing the affidavits of what was said, it seemed possible to me that they weren’t going to permit argument of the estoppel issue. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/347 "2014-09-16T15:41:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Apparently there were additional previous letters provided later that were not quite as favorable to Kobach’s case, and they had to concede that “substantial” compliance with the law was sufficient. Additional letters: [http://www.kscourts.org/Chad\_Taylor\_v\_Kris\_Kobach/Respondentssupplementalaffidavit.pdf](http://www.kscourts.org/Chad_Taylor_v_Kris_Kobach/Respondentssupplementalaffidavit.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/348 "2014-09-16T19:35:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Justice hearing the case: > > "Seems like the process of acknowledgment is “loosey-goosey” I’m confused by all that legal mumbo jumbo. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/349 "2014-09-17T00:24:34Z")
Me too, but the analysis that I’ve read today is all pretty much in agreement that Kobach is going to lose and his lawyer was roughed up today in court. Largely because the additional letters that they all of a sudden discovered and brought to court today, by some coincidence, had no semblance of the incapable statement that they were demanding from Taylor, but were somehow approved without issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kansas\_Beekeeper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@Kansas\_Beekeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kansas_Beekeeper)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/350 "2014-09-17T00:31:10Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Additional letters: > > [http://www.kscourts.org/Chad\_Taylor\_v\_Kris\_Kobach/Respondentssupplementalaffidavit.pdf](http://www.kscourts.org/Chad_Taylor_v_Kris_Kobach/Respondentssupplementalaffidavit.pdf) That destroys Kobach’s case. Before these letters, I thought he’d win, but I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/351 "2014-09-17T01:46:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > > The letter of withdrawal said “As per the terms of Section Yada-Yada-Yada of Law Bla-Bla-Bla, I hereby withdraw my candidacy.” This language has, as any sensible person with no axe to grind would expect, been historically interpreted to constitute a statement that the candidate meets all specific requirements of Section Yada-Yada-Yada of Law Bla-Bla-Bla. Kobach is clearly playing a silly Simon Says game for transparent partisan purpose. > > That’s a piece of information that would change my mind. > > Can you cite the historical instances in which such language has been accepted? Now he can 🙂 And, as predicted, it changed my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/352 "2014-09-17T02:57:32Z")
The Kansas Supreme Court has it now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/353 "2014-09-17T16:01:46Z")
_Quien es el mas maroon?_ Kobloch, who went into this shitstorm without knowing, for sure and for certain, that each and every letter in question supports his premise wholly and without doubt? He didn’t send his staff scurrying so that he could review each and every one and be sure he wasn’t pulling his dick out before he knew? Or Taylor, who sat there asking a very, very important question and took vague and non-committal gestures for an answer? Gestures!?! Da fuq? The question has been asked, what is wrong with Kansas? We may have our answer. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/354 "2014-09-17T16:52:16Z")
Well, looks like **adaher** was 100% correct. I’ve never said that before. 😉 I think this thread is pretty good evidence that he’s not the Republican shill people accuse him of being, though. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/355 "2014-09-17T22:38:21Z")
Apparently, Kobach is anticipating losing, but has a fallback plan. If Taylor is removed, he is going to require the Democrats to put a replacement candidate in his place. Apparently, the law states that if a vacancy occurs after the primary, the party “shall” nominate a replacement rather than “may” and so he reads that as stating the Democrats are required to have a candidate. Not sure how that can be done exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Kansas\_Beekeeper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@Kansas\_Beekeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kansas_Beekeeper)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/356 "2014-09-18T21:44:37Z")
The decision: [http://www.kscourts.org/Cases-and-Opinions/opinions/SupCt/2014/20140918/112431.pdf](http://www.kscourts.org/Cases-and-Opinions/opinions/SupCt/2014/20140918/112431.pdf) Taylor’s off the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/357 "2014-09-18T21:58:15Z")
They went with my argument about declaration by reference, it seems. What do I win? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/358 "2014-09-18T22:09:52Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > What do I win? Nomination as the Kansas Democratic candidate for Senate. 😃 Under normal circumstances, I think Kobach’s next move would be to attempt to force the Kansas Democratic executive committee to name a replacement candidate. If it’s true (as he claimed, according to the decision) that ballots have to be printed tomorrow, there’s no time for that. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/359 "2014-09-18T22:16:05Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Nomination as the Kansas Democratic candidate for Senate. 😃 > > Under normal circumstances, I think Kobach’s next move would be to attempt to force the Kansas Democratic executive committee to name a replacement candidate. If it’s true (as he claimed, according to the decision) that ballots have to be printed tomorrow, there’s no time for that. It’s possible they could just put “Democratic Candidate” in the name spot, and I guarantee it would get at least 20% of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561/360 "2014-09-18T22:18:54Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > It’s possible they could just put “Democratic Candidate” in the name spot, and I guarantee it would get at least 20% of the vote. Which would likely see Kobach on the losing side of another lawsuit pertaining to the same exact race. IMO he should cut his losses, STFU, and just let the election happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-kris-kobach/697561.md?page=19)