# I Pit Lack of Finacial Aid for my Kid's College Education! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 2, 2011, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068 "2011-06-02T07:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/361 "2011-06-09T20:20:32Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > As long as you cannot be bothered to give “scrounge” any other meaning, then yes. > > Actually, that sounds like someone who is a realist, who understands what it is like - how completely miserable it is - to be without money and having to, er, scrounge for life’s non-material necessities, like food and shelter. > > This lacks logic. If you don’t start saving NOW and you know that college in going to cost much more in the future than it does now, how do you propose to pay for their college education should one or more choose to go? > > Then, again, you need to provide your definition of the word scrounge. > > No, that happens to be a fact. These days those with only a high school education tend to have low paying jobs. I had only a high school diploma but I got lucky and got on with a company that taught me a trade. After 25 years, I was making about $30-35K, tho with automation, these days people doing that work are making less. Sure, you can exist on that, maybe even have children, but I prefer to live. > > I don’t live the world over, I live in the US and I am aware of the costs of getting a college education, and the pitfalls of not doing so. All of your hippy talk about not needing money to be happy and all of that rainbows and bunnies stuff just shows that you are simply not aware of how the world has moved on since the 1950’s. Sure it’s _possible_ to get by on love and good intentions, but it sure isn’t likely, and for you to more or less plan that life for your children seems, at the least, irresponsible. Which wouldn’t be any of my business except that irresponsible parenting tends to lead to a need for taxpayer dollars. Hence my delight that you do not live in my state. > > Uh, if you want to bring up assumptive I’ll need to point out that just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean that I am negative, anything sucks in my life or that it affects anyone around me. Assuming any of that seems to me to be a ridiculously childish leap of logic. Oh my… Point taken. You’re “right”, and I’m “wrong”. Happy? One thing though - you asked me how I plan to pay for my children’s college if they plan on going in the future? What on EARTH makes you think I intend to pay for my kid’s college education? If they’re smart enough, they’ll figure it out. If they wanna pay it back, loans are available. Grants are available. Scholarships may or may not be available. If not, they’ll go into a different career. None of that means I intend to withhold help from them if they need it. But I’m not preparing to pay for the whole damn thing. Like I said…fuck that feeding the system bullshit. It costs so god damned much to attend college because assholes like yourself are willing to pay them whatever god forsaken price they ask, thinking that they’re getting some kind of fucking gravy ticket to a life of wonderful happiness with money flowing out their god damned assholes, or some philosophical life of fulfillment. I will however point out that \*I \*do not have a college education, and I earn around $45K per year. That’s not much, but I am only 28 years old, and I was earning around $35K per year at age 24. How many college graduates can hope to earn that much at graduation - without the burden of school loans? I know there are plenty…but I ask you honestly, HOW MANY? Does that make it worth the price of the diploma? I SAY NO. I don’t believe in glass ceilings - unless you are determined to stay in a career that requires formal education, in which case, yep your pay is pegged to your education level. You can disagree with me alllll day long. It doesn’t change the facts of my life, or the lives of my friends, of the lives of the many individuals who have lived wonderful lives worth remembering all without the aid of an expensive degree. That does not make me a fucking hippy, you dipshit. Like I said - your opinions reveal you to be jaded. Maybe \*you \*could stand to take in a little rainbow bunny hippy love nonsense? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/362 "2011-06-10T06:07:55Z")
> [@echo6160](#): > > Oh my… > > Point taken. You’re “right”, and I’m “wrong”. Happy? > > One thing though - you asked me how I plan to pay for my children’s college if they plan on going in the future? What on EARTH makes you think I intend to pay for my kid’s college education? If they’re smart enough, they’ll figure it out. If they wanna pay it back, loans are available. Grants are available. Scholarships may or may not be available. If not, they’ll go into a different career. None of that means I intend to withhold help from them if they need it. But I’m not preparing to pay for the whole damn thing. Like I said…fuck that feeding the system bullshit. It costs so god damned much to attend college because assholes like yourself are willing to pay them whatever god forsaken price they ask, thinking that they’re getting some kind of fucking gravy ticket to a life of wonderful happiness with money flowing out their god damned assholes, or some philosophical life of fulfillment. > > I will however point out that \*I \*do not have a college education, and I earn around $45K per year. That’s not much, but I am only 28 years old, and I was earning around $35K per year at age 24. How many college graduates can hope to earn that much at graduation - without the burden of school loans? I know there are plenty…but I ask you honestly, HOW MANY? Does that make it worth the price of the diploma? I SAY NO. I don’t believe in glass ceilings - unless you are determined to stay in a career that requires formal education, in which case, yep your pay is pegged to your education level. > > You can disagree with me alllll day long. It doesn’t change the facts of my life, or the lives of my friends, of the lives of the many individuals who have lived wonderful lives worth remembering all without the aid of an expensive degree. > > That does not make me a fucking hippy, you dipshit. Like I said - your opinions reveal you to be jaded. Maybe \*you \*could stand to take in a little rainbow bunny hippy love nonsense? :rolleyes: Wow. Just…wow. Once again, thank God you all don’t live in California. ---
**Author:** ![Blackhawk441](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@Blackhawk441](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackhawk441)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/363 "2011-06-14T05:49:32Z")
People need to realize it’s not all about “sending your children to school”. It’s not some luxury that rich (adults) give to their kids. It really shouldn’t matter whether the parents are rich alumni from some Ivy League or welfare parents from the ghetto. The amount of money their parents saved (whether or not they had the opportunity to) should not have an impact on their children’s educational opportunities. Case in point: myself. I just graduated from high school with a 3.6 weighted (3.2 unweighted) GPA, 32 ACT, and 2190 SAT (would be 1440 on the old scale). National Merit Scholarship Program semifinalist. Despite all this, the state university I am attending (trying to be financially responsible- got a generous scholarship from a nationally-respected private university, but the state school was still less) won’t give me much of anything. I come from a single-parent, middle-class household, and there are no college savings. I am royally royally fucked for at least the next 25 years of my life, if not more. It may be easy for you middle-aged people (and I say that with no pejorative intent) to proselytize on and on about taxpayers, etc. etc. but let me assure you it is far more pants-shittingly terrifying coming from the other end of the system. And parents, (OP included), it may suck for you to not be able to send your kids to college, but if anyone should be Pitting this issue it should be them. [/vent/] ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/364 "2011-06-14T14:58:00Z")
> [@surrounded\_by\_literalists](#): > > …I don’t even have an actual person to blame! > > My girl has been an A student since second grade. She works hard, she goes the extra educational mile, she’s in student government, and (if you repeat this, I will deny it) smarter than me! > > She has applied for any and all scholarships she can get her hands on. She got almost nothing. She was told that she was eligible for a Pell Grant about three months ago, but every time she applied to the finacial aid offices at the University’s of her choice, the amount awarded dwindled. > > I seriously doubt we can send her now. She is heart broken. > > We really want her to attend school out of state. Here in California, the educational buget has been eviscerated to a ridiculous point. Many College students here found themselves high and dry when their progams or required classes for graduation were cut right out from under them. Imagine being one year from graduation only to be told that your school no longer has what you need finish. They have to change majors or go somewhere else. Both options add to the time it takes to graduate as well as the cost. > > SO FUCK YOU SCHOLARSHIP BOARDS! MY KID IS THIS COUNTRY’S BEST BET FOR THE FUTURE AND YOU JUST THREW ALL THAT TALENT AWAY! Have you tried checking Fastweb? It lists all kinds of bizarre but real scholarships that TPTB would never mention. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/365 "2011-06-14T15:52:14Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Have you tried checking Fastweb? It lists all kinds of bizarre but real scholarships that TPTB would never mention. Also Cappex. They may have the same listings, but a different interface. There are several of these clearinghouse sites. One of them had the ability to sort by ease of applying, $ amount, or odds of winning, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/366 "2011-06-14T16:07:27Z")
Haven’t read the entire thread, but I don’t understand something. Getting ‘straight As’ quite frankly doesn’t mean much, given the massive variation in how schools grade. I got As and Bs all through Junior and Senior High and never once brought a text book home. Grades are mostly a function of how easy the grading is at your school. ACT/SAT scores are much more true-to-life in figuring out where your child stacks up vs peers. ‘Top 25 percentile’ would be maybe a bit over 1700 on the SAT (2400 scale) or a 23-24 on the ACT. While ‘better than average’, the scores are hardly ‘omigod get this child a scholarship’ good. I got some scholarship money ('cause we were dirt poor and I had a very good ACT score), I also worked my way through uni in two countries, and I had some student loans. I really don’t see what the problem is here - it’s not like uni costs etc have been a big dark secret. Sounds to me like you didn’t start saving for this, and didn’t get your child to start preparing for this. In other words - you’re getting exactly what you prepared for. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/367 "2011-06-14T18:52:52Z")
> [@Blackhawk441](#): > > People need to realize it’s not all about “sending your children to school”. It’s not some luxury that rich (adults) give to their kids. It really shouldn’t matter whether the parents are rich alumni from some Ivy League or welfare parents from the ghetto. The amount of money their parents saved (whether or not they had the opportunity to) should not have an impact on their children’s educational opportunities. So, at what point in time do we decide that the increasingly high burden put on the taxpayers to send these kids to college is just too much, and that those who selfishly decided to have children they couldn’t support are now on their own? I’m sorry, but anything beyond food and shelter that you cannot afford IS a luxury. If you came from a middle-class household, then there is no reason why there couldn’t be at least some college savings for you. > [@](#): > > It may be easy for you middle-aged people (and I say that with no pejorative intent) to proselytize on and on about taxpayers, etc. etc. but let me assure you it is far more pants-shittingly terrifying coming from the other end of the system. And parents, (OP included), it may suck for you to not be able to send your kids to college, but if anyone should be Pitting this issue it should be them. This didn’t quite make sense so I’m not sure who you think should be pitting, but as far as the taxpayer is concerned, the growing belief is that those who have and raise children and expect someone else to pay for it are the ones who should be, at the least, pitted. So you will have to work your way thru college? I didn’t even get to do that - all I have is a high school diploma - and I managed to (eventually) land on my feet. Quit expecting someone else to pay your way and you will too. If you have to whine, whine at your parent. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/368 "2011-06-14T19:27:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I suppose that now I cannot work, I should go sit on an ice floe? Why yes, yes you should. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/369 "2011-06-14T19:28:41Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, at what point in time do we decide that the increasingly high burden put on the taxpayers to send these kids to college is just too much, and that those who selfishly decided to have children they couldn’t support are now on their own? At the point in time we, as a society, decide that lowering taxes is worth the cost of having a less-educated society, that’s when. Frankly, if you think a society with fewer college graduates is a better one if taxes are also lowered, you’re too stupid to have an opinion. And again, the question you love dodging in these discussions–what, exactly, has the child done wrong here? If nothing, then why are you placing the punishment (child must work during college or find other means of paying for it) on someone other than the people who are to blame (parents who didn’t plan to pay for education)? > [@curlcoat](#): > > I suppose that now I cannot work, I should go sit on an ice floe? Absolutely. But not everyone who’s retired or on disability, mind you. Just you. ---
**Author:** ![randomface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@randomface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randomface)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/370 "2011-06-14T19:35:52Z")
When did working during college become a punishment? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/371 "2011-06-14T19:42:33Z")
At the present, the USA is on top of the heap when it comes to post-secondary education, and at present, there is a general job shortage, so the problem of talented students not getting good post-secondary education has no serious immediate consequences to society. In the long term, however, I expect that the USA will face greater competition from other nations and other international blocks where education has been supported. If an employer looking for white collar staff has a choice between an entitled American, or a brighter and better trained non-American, which will the employer choose? If a multinational can locate where there is a better educated workforce, where will that multinational locate? Once the industrialized nations get past the present slump, I expect that the USA will have a more difficult time holding its place due to it letting its educational competitive advantage slip. Want to eat well? Be willing to raise the crops through to harvest. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/372 "2011-06-14T20:05:18Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Why yes, yes you should. You first. At this time, I have to believe that I am far more useful than you are. > [@Zeriel](#): > > At the point in time we, as a society, decide that lowering taxes is worth the cost of having a less-educated society, that’s when. Frankly, if you think a society with fewer college graduates is a better one if taxes are also lowered, you’re too stupid to have an opinion. So, in other words, you think that the only way that anyone is going to get a college education is if someone hands it to them on a silver platter? Or that the only way we can get some tax relief from having to pay to send the children of the irresponsible to college is to deny them access? Speaking of too stupid to have an opinion… > [@](#): > > And again, the question you love dodging in these discussions–what, exactly, has the child done wrong here? I have never ducked that incredibly stupid question. However, it does have zero to do with the subject at hand. > [@](#): > > If nothing, then why are you placing the punishment (child must work during college or find other means of paying for it) on someone other than the people who are to blame (parents who didn’t plan to pay for education)? :eek: Working for something you want is now punishment? As for placing the “punishment” on the people who are to blame, why are _you_ putting it off on me by requiring I pay for the parents’ lack of planning and/or concern for their own children, simply because you have some idea that only a college education done in four years will lead to peace, love and freedom? This is the root of the problem - you are expecting responsible people to pick up the slack for the irresponsible simply because you can’t deal with the idea of an 18 year old working his way thru school and/or taking more than four years to finish college. > [@randomface](#): > > When did working during college become a punishment? Who knows? However, apparently working at that age just to keep oneself alive is just fine and dandy with these folks. My reward for working myself into the ground is to go sit on an ice floe. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/373 "2011-06-14T20:15:05Z")
> [@randomface](#): > > When did working during college become a punishment? When the powers-that-be decided that the means test for college funding was tied to the parents’ income rather than to the student’s. Suddenly, you’ve set up a system where, regardless of the student’s qualifications or academic ability or work ethic, students who have poor parents or responsible parents have easy access to subsidies and loans, and students with rich parents or irresponsible parents do not. The outcomes are not tied to anything meaningful, because of this expectation (built into federal policy) that parents pay for college for their kids. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/374 "2011-06-14T20:17:56Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > This is the root of the problem - you are expecting responsible people to pick up the slack for the irresponsible simply because you can’t deal with the idea of an 18 year old working his way thru school and/or taking more than four years to finish college. No, the root of the discussion is that you keep harping on the PARENTS being irresponsible, and then proposing solutions that only affect the CHILD whose responsibility status is unknown. That’s the entire disconnect and that’s why you’re a moron. > [@](#): > > Who knows? However, apparently working at that age just to keep oneself alive is just fine and dandy with these folks. My reward for working myself into the ground is to go sit on an ice floe. :rolleyes: No, dear, that’s your reward for being a sanctimonious dick. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/375 "2011-06-14T20:59:59Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > No, the root of the discussion is that you keep harping on the PARENTS being irresponsible, and then proposing solutions that only affect the CHILD whose responsibility status is unknown. That’s the entire disconnect and that’s why you’re a moron. Hardly. You seem to be assuming that an 18 year old is a CHILD and therefore completely helpless. You want a solution that affects the PARENTS? Create a payroll tax that goes directly into a college fund, said tax to increase with each child they have. > [@](#): > > No, dear, that’s your reward for being a sanctimonious dick. Ah. Then you will be joining **Muffin** on that ice flow? ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/376 "2011-06-14T21:07:03Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > When the powers-that-be decided that the means test for college funding was tied to the parents’ income rather than to the student’s. Suddenly, you’ve set up a system where, regardless of the student’s qualifications or academic ability or work ethic, students who have poor parents or responsible parents have easy access to subsidies and loans, and students with rich parents or irresponsible parents do not. > > The outcomes are not tied to anything meaningful, because of this expectation (built into federal policy) that parents pay for college for their kids. Fuckin’ A right! Which is another reason why I will not be feeding the damn system. Life goes on with or without all the bullshit that our currently screwed up college education system brings. My kids will be educated just fine thank you very much. And if they want to go to college that badly, well then I’m sure they’ll figure out a way to get through it. But I’m not gonna be sacrificing the education that they can receive during their youth because of some “need” that’s been foisted upon me by societal pressure to save every fucking dime I make to send them into a broken system. That money will be better spent on things like a decent home, and regular interactive activities. Hell I’d rather spend $10,000 a year on a fucking model rocket hobby and hot air balloon trips for my kid (which builds a desire to DO things that require an active mind) than save that money so he “might” go to college to learn how the hamster wheel works. (an extreme example to illustrate a point) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/377 "2011-06-14T21:07:05Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > No, dear, that’s your reward for being a sanctimonious dick. > > Ah. Then you will be joining **Muffin** on that ice flow? “I know you are but what am I” hasn’t been clever since the fourth grade, dear. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/378 "2011-06-14T21:31:18Z")
> [@echo6160](#): > > Hell I’d rather spend $10,000 a year on a fucking model rocket hobby and hot air balloon trips for my kid (which builds a desire to DO things that require an active mind) than save that money so he “might” go to college to learn how the hamster wheel works. (an extreme example to illustrate a point) And when it comes time to earn a living, their resumes will not make it past the gate when I am hiring. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/379 "2011-06-15T00:21:08Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > And when it comes time to earn a living, their resumes will not make it past the gate when I am hiring. Perversely, I’ve had MUCH better luck with hiring folks out of Vo-Tech, the military, and hobbyist enthusiasts without degrees than I have ever had with hiring folks with IT degrees. ---
**Author:** ![Blackhawk441](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@Blackhawk441](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackhawk441)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068/380 "2011-06-15T00:52:10Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Quit expecting someone else to pay your way and you will too. If you have to whine, whine at your parent. I plan to do so, and I am not whining. I am just illustrating the fact that grants and scholarships are pretty nonexistant these days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lack-of-finacial-aid-for-my-kids-college-education/584068.md?page=20)