# I Pit LHOD and his thread re: AA in schools **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658 "2009-06-04T02:59:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/21 "2009-06-04T13:09:22Z")
And in that thread, in response to the claim by **Left Hand** : > [@](#): > > As I said, a lot of these black boys can go weeks without seeing a black man who holds a middle-class job. You reply: > [@](#): > > You keep saying this. I don’t think it’s true. On the contrary, I would bet that most black males that “these black boys” see at home are multi-millionaires. If role models on TV don’t count, why? When called on it more than once, you just ignore the idiocy of your statement. We don’t even get the customary hand waving any more. Are you bored? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/22 "2009-06-04T13:10:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m a white male. I can’t think of a single person in my life growing up who I would consider a “role model.” I’m sure that no one in my life when I was growing up made even half of what I make now (in inflation-adjusted dollars). How the hell was I able to achieve what I’ve achieved given my significant lack of role models? Oh yeah, these kids are black, so we can’t hold them responsible for their actions. “These black boys” need the government to help them every step of the way. Its Jim Crow all over again. I find it odd that you’re willing to suggest **LHoD’s** argument has problem based on it only being his feelings, his experiences, his beliefs, yet a perfectly acceptable argument against it is, er, your own personal feelings, experiences, and beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/23 "2009-06-04T13:39:05Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > yet a perfectly acceptable argument against it is, er, your own personal feelings, experiences, and beliefs. RR has feelings? The boy who couldn’t cry. He’s a robot! RR can cry. He just doesn’t want to rust. Yes, he’s like the steel man from The Wizard From Oz. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/24 "2009-06-04T14:49:51Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m sure that no one in my life when I was growing up made even half of what I make now (in inflation-adjusted dollars). You realize that, by that measure, that Michael Jackson is a better role model than you, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/25 "2009-06-04T16:42:16Z")
You’re a whiny bitch. Go away. ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/26 "2009-06-04T16:44:29Z")
What the fuck is wrong with calling a CHILD a boy? I assumed \*\*LHOD \*\* was talking about fourteen/fifteen year olds when I read your OP, and I still thought you were being a dick, but no, you feel an urge to object to SEVEN YEAR OLD BLACK MALES being called boys. You big freak. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/27 "2009-06-04T16:56:43Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’ve been Rovered twice in the last twenty-four hours. I’d like to propose that word as a description of a particular mental process. You’re going along, reading the boards like usual, when you run into a lump of hateful assholishness. “Rovering” is when you mentally go, “Woah, what the hell?..oh, it’s Rand Rover. OK.” Ha ha! That totally happened to me when I clicked on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/28 "2009-06-04T16:59:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I think that that explains a lot. > 😃 Oh snap! ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/29 "2009-06-04T17:00:41Z")
And I also thought it was about Alcoholics Anonymous in school. I was like, “Why the hell would they be doing that?” ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/30 "2009-06-04T17:14:55Z")
**Rover** , are your feelers all hurt because \*\*Lefty \*\*wouldn’t talk to you? Suck it up, man. You’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/31 "2009-06-04T17:15:45Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’ve been Rovered twice in the last twenty-four hours. I’d like to propose that word as a description of a particular mental process. You’re going along, reading the boards like usual, when you run into a lump of hateful assholishness. “Rovering” is when you mentally go, “Woah, what the hell?..oh, it’s Rand Rover. OK.” I suspect he’s never gonna give us up, and never gonna let us down. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/32 "2009-06-04T17:23:11Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I suspect he’s never gonna give us up, and never gonna let us down. I think he knows the game and he’s gonna play it. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/33 "2009-06-04T17:25:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I suspect he’s never gonna give us up, and never gonna let us down. Yes, the term should be _RandRolled_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/34 "2009-06-04T17:30:17Z")
[rats!] ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/35 "2009-06-04T17:33:08Z")
So no one cares that LHOD wants to make policy based on his vague notions of what’s good for those little brown people? Suit yourselves. I’ll just think he’s an idiot all on my own. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/36 "2009-06-04T17:34:03Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m a white male. I can’t think of a single person in my life growing up who I would consider a “role model.” All joking aside, perhaps this really does reflect on something in your makeup. Did you not have role models because of the way you are, or are you the way you are because you didn’t have role models? Is your particular brand of ethics (or lack thereof) a lesson you learned or something inborn? Do you think you need no one because of sour grapes or because you can’t remember anyone you valued that much? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/37 "2009-06-04T17:43:25Z")
Well considering that “the way I am” is a productive member of society that pays more in taxes than two average households earn each year, I’d say that whatever the reason, I turned out pretty good. Now bring me your finest meats and cheeses. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/38 "2009-06-04T17:43:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So no one cares that LHOD wants to make policy based on his vague notions of what’s good for those little brown people? Suit yourselves. I’ll just think he’s an idiot all on my own. You’ve sacrificed the privilege of having people take your statements at face value. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/39 "2009-06-04T17:47:23Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Well considering that “the way I am” is a productive member of society that pays more in taxes than two average households earn each year, I’d say that whatever the reason, I turned out pretty good. Now bring me your finest meats and cheeses. Well, not being a tax lawyer, the best I could afford was a bowl of mud. Dig in! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/40 "2009-06-04T17:52:27Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Well considering that “the way I am” is a productive member of society that pays more in taxes than two average households earn each year, I’d say that whatever the reason, I turned out pretty good. Now bring me your finest meats and cheeses. Fuck sakes. If we stipulate that you’re a millionaire and you own a mansion und a yacht, will for once shut the fuck up about the huge piles of money you sleep on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=3)