# I Pit LHOD and his thread re: AA in schools **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658 "2009-06-04T02:59:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/101 "2009-06-04T22:23:30Z")
> [@Rand Rover](#): > > This is what I’m trying to get people to think about. It does sound incredible to me to say that a black male can’t use anyone but another black male as a role model (even assuming that having a role model at all is a necessary or desirable thing). > [@nameless](#): > > Oh and directly on point from [here.](http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/114975312.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > Finally, in a 2-year longitudinal study, Zirkel (2002) found that adolescents who had at least one race-and gender-matched role model demonstrated better academic performance and had more achievement-related goals than did students without a race- and gender-matched role model; these effects were not found for non-gender-matched role models. > [@Rand Rover](#): > > Did you have a role model when you were growing up? I know you weren’t addressing this to me, but yes, I had several: my parents, several teachers at various times, a woman named [Fran Hamerstrom](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Hamerstrom) whose books I read, a couple historical figures, and some people - mainly women - who attended the same church we did. With a couple exceptions (namely my father) they were all white women, like me. I’m surprised to hear you say you had no role models. There was no one you looked up to and took inspiration from? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/102 "2009-06-04T22:23:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > They were clean-cut young men, disdaining drugs Only those pussies Mike Love and Al Jardine. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/103 "2009-06-04T22:25:15Z")
> [@](#): > > …and took inspiration from? Benjamin Franklin, for sure, US Grant, about half as much… ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/104 "2009-06-04T22:26:37Z")
As one of the puppy dopers (26), I need to say that I love the Beach Boys and I got to see what’s left of them (Mike Love) last summer and it was a blast.😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/105 "2009-06-04T22:27:03Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > There was no one you looked up to and took inspiration from? [Do comic strips count?](http://punchbutton.beloblog.com/archives/images/0906/richie%20rich.bmp) ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/106 "2009-06-04T22:27:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > My positiom requires no assumption that hiring practices are currently fair. Rather, my position is two-fold: (I) LHOD is an idiot because he doesn’t even consider whether having black males as teachers would actually improve the lives of black male students, he just supposes it to be so; and (ii) racially discriminitory hiring practices are ipso facto a bad thing and shouldn’t be done even if some such benefit could be proved. (I) Actually, there are reams of educational research going back 20+ years that support this, it isn’t even a controversial position (as I understand it) in the educational field. (II) As Bricker points out, this situation is a little different, since race is pertinent to their overall success. You are specifically hiring black men - in part to be role models to black boys. The students of white men and white women (or for that matter black women) have less successful outcomes. At the school my kids go to their is a male teacher teaching an all boys class. The feminist in me recoils - the slippery slope is visible from here. But the research fully supports that these boys, particularly the disadvantaged ones - will have a better outcome in this environment. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/107 "2009-06-04T22:34:35Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > [Do comic strips count?](http://punchbutton.beloblog.com/archives/images/0906/richie%20rich.bmp) [Can’t believe you missed on that one](http://www.chocolatemintsinajar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/scrooge-mcduck.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![nameless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/779978/32.png) [@nameless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nameless)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/108 "2009-06-04T22:35:50Z")
**Weird One** , thank you, I was beginning to go insane. Then there’s [this](http://www.angryflower.com/atlass.gif) comic strip. Why couldn’t he be inspired by this one? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/109 "2009-06-04T22:41:00Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > [Can’t believe you missed on that one](http://www.chocolatemintsinajar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/scrooge-mcduck.jpg). 😃 I had considered that, but thought that Richie Rich was a comic strip that he could have actually read but Scrooge McDuck was late 90’s, unless I’m mistaken. And, of course, if I’m mistaken it just shows that I’m not rich enough to have the proper appreciation of American pop culture. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/110 "2009-06-04T22:46:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > 😃 > I had considered that, but thought that Richie Rich was a comic strip that he could have actually read but Scrooge McDuck was late 90’s, unless I’m mistaken. > And, of course, if I’m mistaken it just shows that I’m not rich enough to have the proper appreciation of American pop culture. Hmmm, without looking it up, I believe Christmas at Bear Mountain (1st Uncle Scrooge appearance) was around 1950. (Checks) Damn, 1947. Three years off. Am I a nerd or what? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/111 "2009-06-04T23:07:52Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > [Can’t believe you missed on that one](http://www.chocolatemintsinajar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/scrooge-mcduck.jpg). I’d have gone with [this](http://www.geocities.com/metropolis_1927_movie/Images/metropolis021.jpg), personally. Although if that’s too obscure, there’s always [this](http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif). ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/112 "2009-06-04T23:12:04Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Hmmm, without looking it up, I believe Christmas at Bear Mountain (1st Uncle Scrooge appearance) was around 1950. > > (Checks) > > Damn, 1947. Three years off. > > Am I a nerd or what? Maybe, but you’re at least rich enough to appreciate pop culture. However you’re not rich enough to pay someone to appreciate it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/113 "2009-06-04T23:17:03Z")
Write: How do you really know if it’s me or my assistant typing this? Ok, hit submit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/114 "2009-06-04T23:19:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’d have gone with [this](http://www.geocities.com/metropolis_1927_movie/Images/metropolis021.jpg), personally. > > Although if that’s too obscure, there’s always [this](http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif). Second link doesn’t work. [Try this one.](http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/115 "2009-06-04T23:21:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’d have gone with [this](http://www.geocities.com/metropolis_1927_movie/Images/metropolis021.jpg), personally. > > Although if that’s too obscure, there’s always [this](http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif). I was thinking [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce8oOjdEZko#t=6m37s). ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/116 "2009-06-04T23:45:41Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I was thinking [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce8oOjdEZko#t=6m37s). Winner. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/117 "2009-06-04T23:51:15Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I find it odd that you’re willing to suggest **LHoD’s** argument has problem based on it only being his feelings, his experiences, his beliefs, yet a perfectly acceptable argument against it is, er, your own personal feelings, experiences, and beliefs. And that’s different from 90% of the arguments on this message board in what way? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/118 "2009-06-04T23:52:33Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > And that’s different from 90% of the arguments on this message board in what way? I believe that’s very nearly **Revenant Threshold** ’s point. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/119 "2009-06-04T23:55:34Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Ha! I pay more for lawn upkeep for my butler’s niece in a month than you pay in taxes for 10 years! Now that’s a giant internet swinging fiscal penis! The worth of my life is certainly not measured in as many bank notes as **Rand Rover** ’s but I know people personally who are far wealthier than he claims to be, and they don’t even remotely think his philosophy makes any sense. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/120 "2009-06-05T00:01:31Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Bricker made a good point. Would you consider hiring a white guy to play the lead in a Michael Jordan biopic? That’s not a good point, it’s a fucking retarded one without any merit whatsoever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=7)