# I Pit LHOD and his thread re: AA in schools **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658 "2009-06-04T02:59:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/121 "2009-06-05T00:08:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I believe that’s very nearly **Revenant Threshold** ’s point. Ahh. Very nearly. **Rand Rover** is a hypocrite in the way everyone else who calls people on emotionally based arguments on this message board, with the possible exception of **Sentient Meat** , is. I understand **Rand Rover** ’s point, but I think that by the evidence of black women in the profession it’s not that black men are incapable of becoming teachers, they just for some reason don’t desire to become teachers to the same degree as people of other genders or ethnicities. While discriminatory hiring practices are bad on their face, I think that it’s a matter of encouragement. But then I can see why people don’t want to become teachers when the salary they are likely to make is comparable to that of a garbage man who doesn’t have to deal with 5 years of school and $ 100k of debt. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/122 "2009-06-05T00:09:00Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > That’s not a good point, it’s a fucking retarded one without any merit whatsoever. Carefully remove your head from your ass and read the thread, and the cites that say having a race and gender matched role model is beneficial to students. Now explain to me why hiring race and gender matched teacher is not just finding the right people for the job, and is in fact “fucking retarded without any merit whatsoever.” I’ll be waiting. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/123 "2009-06-05T00:11:03Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Carefully remove your head from your ass and read the thread, and the cites that say having a race and gender matched role model is beneficial to students. Now explain to me why hiring race and gender matched teacher is not just finding the right people for the job, and is in fact “fucking retarded without any merit whatsoever.” I’ll be waiting. Because casting choices for a movie are different for what should be obvious fucking reasons and no one is suggesting that they are different honestly, they are just trying to get a cheapass ‘gotcha’. So I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of who has their head up their ass. There is a head up and ass between the two of us, and it is certainly NOT me in this case. You don’t even think that’s a good fucking example you just want to say, “See you support discriminatory hiring practices in one case! Pwn n00b!!!” It’s stupid, and dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/124 "2009-06-05T00:28:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Your joke references a band known as the Beach Boys. For the benefit of our Puppy Dopers who are not doddering off to play shuffleboard, this band was well known for songs about popular cars, in an era when autoeroticism was considered respectable. They were clean-cut young men, disdaining drugs in favor of ravening greed. Hence, they became known as “America’s Band”. Who died and made you **Starving Artist**? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/125 "2009-06-05T00:30:47Z")
[Bugs] Of course you realize, this means war? [/Bugs] ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/126 "2009-06-05T00:33:01Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m a white male. I can’t think of a single person in my life growing up who I would consider a “role model.” Depends on your definition of role model. I personally think that every adult is obligated to live their life in such a manner that any child would want to be like that adult. In other words, you’re a living example of being a decent human being. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/127 "2009-06-05T00:41:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > In other words, you’re a living example of being a decent human being. God help us if **Rand** ’s that. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/128 "2009-06-05T00:44:48Z")
Well, if he isn’t, I’m sure he can at least pay a few people to tell him that he is. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/129 "2009-06-05T00:44:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Depends on your definition of role model. > > I personally think that every adult is obligated to live their life in such a manner that any child would want to be like that adult. In other words, you’re a living example of being a decent human being. That’s an odd standard. If I wanted to follow that rule I’d be required to quit my job and tryout for the yankees or learn to play guitar. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/130 "2009-06-05T00:46:53Z")
Or, ya know, you could have a decent personality, be fun to be around and be the kind of person that people liked. You’ll probably have more luck trying to be a rock star. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/131 "2009-06-05T00:48:19Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > God help us if **Rand** ’s that. He’s got a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/132 "2009-06-05T00:49:12Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Well, if he isn’t, I’m sure he can at least pay a few people to tell him that he is. Nah. It’s a fair bet he’s going to be busy reminding the kids he is every other hour. After telling them about his gold plated doormat, of course. ETA : [QUOTE=Guinastasia] He’s got a kid. [/QUOTE] I \*knew \*Darwin was full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/133 "2009-06-05T00:55:00Z")
I don’t think you understand his statement, or at least, you didn’t understand it in the way he intended… Unless you’re admitting your role models when you were a kid where baseball and guitar players? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/134 "2009-06-05T00:56:41Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > That’s an odd standard. If I wanted to follow that rule I’d be required to quit my job and tryout for the yankees or learn to play guitar. I’ve been told by folks in Boston that noone that plays for the Yankees is a good person, and the only people who play guitar are hippies, rock stars, and pick up artists. No decent people on that list either. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/135 "2009-06-05T01:01:08Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Because casting choices for a movie are different for what should be obvious fucking reasons and no one is suggesting that they are different honestly, they are just trying to get a cheapass ‘gotcha’. So I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of who has their head up their ass. There is a head up and ass between the two of us, and it is certainly NOT me in this case. > > You don’t even think that’s a good fucking example you just want to say, “See you support discriminatory hiring practices in one case! Pwn n00b!!!” > > It’s stupid, and dishonest. _Huh?_ I think I’m gonna need a reply that makes more sense before I can even respond. Explaining just what the fuck your problem is would be a pretty big help, too. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/136 "2009-06-05T01:24:31Z")
Psst **Cisco** : Don’t get in the way of the\*\* Rand Rover \*\*/ **mswas** cage match! I paid good money for these seats! ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/137 "2009-06-05T01:27:41Z")
Aight, since I don’t know who the fuck either one of these guys is, I guess there’s a lot going on in this thread that I’m not going to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/138 "2009-06-05T01:46:51Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So no one cares that LHOD wants to make policy based on his vague notions of what’s good for those little brown people? Well, we’re not second-handers, deriving our self-worth through others. Why are you, Toohey? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/139 "2009-06-05T01:55:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Well considering that “the way I am” is a productive member of society that pays more in taxes than two average households earn each year, I’d say that whatever the reason, I turned out pretty good. Now bring me your finest meats and cheeses. Are you a self-made man? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/140 "2009-06-05T02:10:18Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > _Huh?_ I think I’m gonna need a reply that makes more sense before I can even respond. Explaining just what the fuck your problem is would be a pretty big help, too. Ok, then maybe you can explain what the relevance of asking about Michael Jordan being played by a white man has in this argument. Now if **Rand Rover** actually commits and says that its a sign of unfair discrimination well then I’ll eat my hat. But it seems to me to be a bit of irrelevant trivia designed to elicit a response. Maybe I completely misread it’s purpose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=8)