# I Pit LHOD and his thread re: AA in schools **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658 "2009-06-04T02:59:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/141 "2009-06-05T02:21:22Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Ok, then maybe you can explain what the relevance of asking about Michael Jordan being played by a white man has in this argument. But I already did. > [@mswas](#): > > Maybe I completely misread it’s purpose. There’s no “maybe” about it. I guess I could spell it out for you one last time, _really_ simple like: Study show race/gender matched teachers good. Ooh ooh. This create need for race/gender matched teachers. This equivalent of need for black actor to play his Airness. Oooh, ooh. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/142 "2009-06-05T02:24:29Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Study show race/gender matched teachers good. Ooh ooh. > This create need for race/gender matched teachers. > This equivalent of need for black actor to play his Airness. > Oooh, ooh. Well that’s a stupid equivalency to draw. Whoever is drawing that equivalency is stupid. Whether that’s you or him or **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/143 "2009-06-05T02:29:28Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Well that’s a stupid equivalency to draw. Whoever is drawing that equivalency is stupid. That’s a great argument. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/144 "2009-06-05T02:34:04Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > Are you a self-made man? That, sir, relieves the Almighty of a great responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/145 "2009-06-05T02:37:00Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > But I already did. > > There’s no “maybe” about it. > > I guess I could spell it out for you one last time, _really_ simple like: > > Study show race/gender matched teachers good. Ooh ooh. > This create need for race/gender matched teachers. > This equivalent of need for black actor to play his Airness. > Oooh, ooh. 1. I suppose you could give us a cite to some of those studies? The cite in post 6 said nothing about teachers acting as role models, it just said that there was a study showing that kids with same race role models did better in school. 2. Care to discuss my two posts that counter this argument? You’ve conveniently ignored them. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/146 "2009-06-05T02:46:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Your joke references a band known as the Beach Boys. For the benefit of our Puppy Dopers who are not doddering off to play shuffleboard, this band was well known for songs about popular cars, in an era when autoeroticism was considered respectable. They were clean-cut young men, disdaining drugs in favor of ravening greed. This whole country would have been better off disdaining drugs in favor of good incomes, comfortable lives, nice homes, great cars and…uh, I mean, greed. Yay, greed! Greed is good. Greed feeds, clothes and houses families and individuals much better than, say, government, which has failed miserably everywhere in the world it’s been tried. Yet windmill-tilters such as **il luce** just can’t stop bangin’ the ‘life’s not fair’ drum and denigrating those who become successful by dint of their own talent and effort. The fact is that the Beach Boys became wealthy because people wanted to buy what they offered, and there’s nothing at all wrong with that. Why he hasn’t moved to the Soviet Union years ago is anyone’s guess. > [@elucidator](#): > > Hence, they became known as “America’s Band”. Hell, yeah! And just like America (or at least America of that time), they succeeded and prospered through hard work, talent and effort, and subsequently enjoyed lifestyles that most of the world can only dream of. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/147 "2009-06-05T02:54:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > 1. I suppose you could give us a cite to some of those studies? The cite in post 6 said nothing about teachers acting as role models, it just said that there was a study showing that kids with same race role models did better in school. > > 2. Care to discuss my two posts that counter this argument? You’ve conveniently ignored them. Why should I take you seriously after you blatantly dodged the questions I’ve directed at you in this thread? And I should point out to anyone else who might get the urge to bother: this discussion is pretty pointless to have with a guy who basically doesn’t believe that role models exist. It’s like talking dinosaurs with a fundie. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/148 "2009-06-05T02:59:42Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Why should I take you seriously after you blatantly dodged the questions I’ve directed at you in this thread? And I should point out to anyone else who might get the urge to bother: this discussion is pretty pointless to have with a guy who basically doesn’t believe that role models exist. It’s like talking dinosaurs with a fundie. What questions did I dodge? And it’s not true that I don’t believe in role models, I’m just not going to take LHOD’s word as if it were gospel. I mentioned that I didn’t have a role model because LHOD assumed that every white kid did. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/149 "2009-06-05T03:02:12Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Yay, greed! Greed is good. Greed feeds, clothes and houses families and individuals much better than, say, government, which has failed miserably everywhere in the world it’s been tried. Yet windmill-tilters such as il luce just can’t stop bangin’ the ‘life’s not fair’ drum and denigrating those who become successful by dint of their own talent and effort. The fact is that the Beach Boys became wealthy because people wanted to buy what they offered, and there’s nothing at all wrong with that. Why he hasn’t moved to the Soviet Union years ago is anyone’s guess. This high-quality reproduction rant, complete with authentic reference to extinct political entity, has been brought to you by the creators of “That '80s Show”. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/150 "2009-06-05T03:06:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > What questions did I dodge? And it’s not true that I don’t believe in role models, I’m just not going to take LHOD’s word as if it were gospel. I mentioned that I didn’t have a role model because LHOD assumed that every white kid did. The fact that you think every one of your ideas and behaviors is wholly unique and original is really just too ridiculous for me to continue. You don’t spend much time introspecting, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Auntbeast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Auntbeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Auntbeast)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/151 "2009-06-05T03:08:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Bad news: you’re going to Hell. Good news: its an exclusive, gated community! You mean I’m not the only person that thinks that that is indeed, the definition and description of hell? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/152 "2009-06-05T03:23:35Z")
> [@](#): > > …You don’t spend much time introspecting, do you? In this instance, a cruel suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/153 "2009-06-05T03:58:35Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > The fact that you think every one of your ideas and behaviors is wholly unique and original is really just too ridiculous for me to continue. You don’t spend much time introspecting, do you? In other words, you got nothin’. Thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/154 "2009-06-05T04:03:43Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > In other words, you got nothin’. Thanks for playing. :rolleyes: If you had anything, this thread would be remotely related to your OP. I tried, but that’s not what you’re here for. You’re just ruffling feathers. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/155 "2009-06-05T04:13:23Z")
_Tickles Cisco and Rand with a feather_ Coochie coochie coo! ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/156 "2009-06-05T04:15:37Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I tried, but that’s not what you’re here for. Try harder. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/157 "2009-06-05T05:01:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > In other words, you got nothin’. Well, you’re an idiot. That’s _something_. ---
**Author:** ![fallapart](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fallapart/32/3018_2.png) [@fallapart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fallapart)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/158 "2009-06-05T06:51:54Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Depends on your definition of role model. > > I personally think that every adult is obligated to live their life in such a manner that any child would want to be like that adult. In other words, you’re a living example of being a decent human being. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > That’s an odd standard. If I wanted to follow that rule I’d be required to quit my job and tryout for the yankees or learn to play guitar. I think this about says it all folks. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/159 "2009-06-05T06:55:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > He’s got a kid. How much do you think he paid for it? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658/160 "2009-06-05T07:10:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Never met your Hugh Akston, did you? He needs to eat at better hamburger stands.\* \*(I really need a shout out from whoever gets this.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-lhod-and-his-thread-re-aa-in-schools/498658.md?page=9)