# I Pit Magiver **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851 "2021-03-13T21:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/101 "2022-02-06T03:12:53Z")
Holy goat felcher, that boy is a fonzanoon. I think all [future rebuttals](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immunity-after-getting-covid-should-fulfill-vaccine-requirements/958258/369) to him will take place here from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/102 "2022-02-06T03:58:47Z")
On the bright side he’s fucking up his own thread instead of someone else’s. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/103 "2022-02-06T06:16:27Z")
Folks here may be interested to know that **Magiver** is not only an authority on all things related to medicine, immunology, and vaccines, he is also an authority on all things aviation. In fact, I believer he’s an authority on all things, period. The last time I seriously engaged with him was over the issue of the Boeing 737 MAX. I think we all know the story – the longest grounding in aviation history, worldwide – out of service for at least 21 months (longer in some jurisdictions) at a cost of untold billions; design flaws condemned by the pertinent accident investigation boards; criticized by pilots, the FAA, and ultimately acknowledged by Boeing itself, where heads rolled in the management ranks. Fortunately we were given sagacious insight into the matter by no less an authority than **Magiver** himself. You can ignore all those so-called “experts” and accident investigation boards. There was nothing wrong with the 737 MAX. At all. The two accidents that killed 346 people and resulted in the worldwide revocation of its certificates of airworthiness were just pilot error, nothing more. It was just damned furrin’ pilots that didn’t know what they were doing. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/104 "2022-02-06T14:37:03Z")
Let me guess, it’s not just that he managed to miss a piece of information, he didn’t understand information given to him and soldiered on anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/105 "2022-02-06T14:40:50Z")
This is where he gave up the game. > [@Rand Paul And Fauci](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-and-fauci/946905/219): > > This was a sports-politics thread from the beginning. He doesn’t believe his own ridiculous arguments. It’s a game to him. With this in mind, things like his defense of sharpiegate make at least a little bit of sense. > [@Trump and his "Cat License"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-his-cat-license/839713/5): > > OK, I’ll play along. I’d like to dismiss this as another mindless political attack on the President. > > How did he fake a prediction last Thursday? Are you implying the NHC prediction was accurate? Because… it wasn’t. by a considerable amount. Not even close. All he did was extended it out a little further which is common sense. Did you think the NHC version was going to evaporate before Alabama. > > Since the NHC was wrong you must know something we don’t. Show your work. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/106 "2022-02-06T14:46:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > He doesn’t believe his own ridiculous arguments. It’s a game to him. Ooooh yeah. Troll it is. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/107 "2022-02-06T14:57:54Z")
No, He’s determined to “win” an argument even if he doesn’t believe any of the shit he’s spouting because owning the libs is all he has to live for. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/108 "2022-02-06T15:01:05Z")
Yeah, that’s trolling. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/109 "2022-02-06T15:03:42Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > He doesn’t believe his own ridiculous arguments. It’s a game to him. > > With this in mind, things like his defense of sharpiegate make at least a little bit of sense. It’s important to understand this kind of person. They don’t know much, and they don’t actually believe much. They just like to win arguments, they like to assert the primacy of their own social control structures. When they can’t win on the facts, then they win by claiming they’re joking and laughing that they got you to react. Eventually you’ll stop engaging them on facts, and then they win. They understand that they lose power in any world driven by a fact-based ontology, so they want to replace it with a gossip-based ontology that will allow them to compete. It is a mistake to intepret these peoples’ relationship to factual discourse as anything but the attempted destruction of any shared framework of knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/110 "2022-02-06T15:08:29Z")
That seems like a lot of words that end up meaning “trolling”, so I’m with @Lance_Turbo on this one. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/111 "2022-02-06T15:16:06Z")
I think it matters whether the person actually sets out to rile someone up, or they’re just dumb, lazy thinkers who retreat to “this is just entertainment anyway” when they’re cornered. Also important to note that these people have no _real_ beliefs except that people like them should make decisions for the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/112 "2022-02-07T06:24:02Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I think it matters whether the person actually sets out to rile someone up, or they’re just dumb, lazy thinkers who retreat to “this is just entertainment anyway” when they’re cornered. I don’t. The effect on the board is the same either way. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/113 "2022-02-07T07:52:54Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I think it matters whether the person actually sets out to rile someone up, or they’re just dumb, lazy thinkers who retreat to “this is just entertainment anyway” when they’re cornered. It doesn’t seem to matter to the mods, nor should it since they can only judge you by what you post, not what you were thinking as you posted it. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/114 "2022-02-07T14:08:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t. The effect on the board is the same either way. Oh I don’t disagree. It’s an academic point, but it’s interesting to me. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/115 "2023-03-18T15:57:57Z")
> [@A theory I saw about how COVID may have escaped from the Wuhan lab](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-theory-i-saw-about-how-covid-may-have-escaped-from-the-wuhan-lab/933082/564): > > In other words, @Magiver is saying, “I haven’t read any of the papers regarding the origins of covid-19, nor have I read anything about coronaviruses nor have I read anything about viruses nor have I read anything about infectious diseases nor have I read anything about the definition of a scientific theory. Therefore, scientists don’t have evidence. On the other hand, the FBI and energy department have tons of evidence for all to behold. It’s obvious!” He’s at it again in the quarantine. I have him on ignore, but I just had to look at what @Jackmannii was replying to. Not only does @Magiver not bother to read any of the papers or at least referencing articles showing evidence that points to a wet market origin. He conflates ‘theory’ with ‘opinion’ when talking about science. I thought they taught hypothesis and theory in K-12. He was probably too busy picking his nose and eating his boogers to pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/116 "2023-03-18T16:08:42Z")
I think he just really enjoys conspiracy theories created by youtubers more than theories created by scientists and wants us all to give the former the same amount of respect as the latter ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/117 "2023-03-18T16:17:34Z")
No, he’s just a right-winger who wants this to be about a Chinese conspiracy, like most other right-wingers. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/118 "2023-03-18T16:39:05Z")
“The data we’ve presented, together with what other investigators have reported, adds to the likelihood of spillover from a wild source.” “Nuh-uh. That’s, like, your _opinion_, man.” ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/119 "2023-03-18T16:54:16Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > No, he’s just a right-winger who wants this to be about a Chinese conspiracy, like most other right-wingers. But the rightwingers preferred conspiracy is the lab leak as opposed to real evidence of them covering up their illegal wild animal trade. One would be an honest mistake by a lab doing what it’s supposed to do. The other is doing something illegal. I think @Jackmannii 's reasoning in that thread makes sense. They don’t like scientists recommendations on pandemic measures so they have to make them the bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/120 "2023-03-18T16:59:19Z")
My sense is that the “lab leak [conspiracy] theory” really ought to have scare quotes around leak, making it the “lab ‘leak’ [conspiracy] theory.” That is, in the right-wing imagination, not only was it leaked from a lab: the leak, and perhaps even the development of the virus, was intentional, for “reasons.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851.md?page=7)