# I Pit Magiver **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851 "2021-03-13T21:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/121 "2023-03-18T17:28:31Z")
Even more fun is that Chinese are brilliant enough to provide all this evidence pointing toward their illegal animal trade and distract from their true purpose. That’s including evidence of much closer viral relatives in other parts of Southeast Asia (they planted that evidence in Laos). Meanwhile, not only are they too stupid keep their bioweapon under wraps, they make a shitty bioweapon that preferentially kills older people and those with comorbidities. Wait a minute! That’s it! They were creating a weapon to cull the herd. Unfortunately, it was killing too many younger people, so they shut down the country until they had a vaccine. BUT they made sure that full vaccination, especially booster uptake, was low in the elderly. Then they opened everything right up!! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/122 "2023-03-18T21:20:42Z")
Brilliant! 4d checkmate! ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/123 "2023-10-28T02:26:20Z")
Not [once](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023/992109/135) but [twice](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/active-shooter-incident-in-lewiston-maine-10-25-2023/992109/153) in a period of 5 hrs did he wish a mentally ill person kill themselves. Would he have said the same thing if they had cardiac issues or diabetes? What he did was awful, but he was hearing voices & had been committed to a mental institution for a couple of weeks this summer; someone f’ed up because he shouldn’t have had guns after that. 19 people are dead because he had an illness. it should have been zero, not one, asshole! ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/124 "2023-10-28T02:30:08Z")
Sorry but he’s right. If he killed all those people because those voices told him to, it _would_ have been better for everyone if he just killed himself first. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/125 "2023-10-28T03:20:23Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > it _would_ have been better for everyone if he just killed himself first Even better still if he’d gotten treatment instead of guns. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/126 "2023-10-28T10:55:25Z")
That’s crazy talk. There’s no constitutional right to treatment! Are you some kind of commie or something? ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/127 "2023-10-28T11:07:35Z")
Wrong thread, comment deleted ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/128 "2023-10-28T11:12:45Z")
Let’s not forget Maine put up a roadblock for taking weapons away from military veterans. Sheer genius, that. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/129 "2023-10-28T13:50:27Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > That’s crazy talk. There’s no constitutional right to treatment! Are you some kind of commie or something? I mean, what are the authorities supposed to do in this sort of situation, take away his gun? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/130 "2023-10-28T14:39:12Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I mean, what are the authorities supposed to do in this sort of situation, take away his gun? A few news sources say Card was involuntarily committed to a mental health facility for a couple weeks over the summer. When a person is involuntarily committed, what (if anything) happens to their guns? Is there a court order that any guns must be confiscated? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/131 "2023-10-28T16:36:41Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > When a person is involuntarily committed, what (if anything) happens to their guns? There are going to be 50 different answers to that question, probably more depending on other variables. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/132 "2023-10-28T17:11:44Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > > > When a person is involuntarily committed, what (if anything) happens to their guns? > > There are going to be 50 different answers to that question, probably more depending on other variables.   And 99% of the time, just as in this case, or the case of the Sandy Hook shooter, or thousands of others, the answer is going to be “nothing”. And the 1% of the time that the answer is “not permitted to own guns”, this being the USA he’d have to borrow or steal the guns from his brother, cousin, uncle, friends, or – this being the USA where I imagine even dogs have semi-automatic assault rifles – trade his dog a biscuit for the dog’s AR-15. Not to imply that the US has any sort of gun problem. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/133 "2023-10-28T17:21:27Z")
I’ve only ever had dachshunds, and none of them could handle an AR15. Maybe a little pocket derringer. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/134 "2023-10-28T19:01:29Z")
Pluto doesn’t need a weapon when staging his Banzai charges at squirrels. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/135 "2023-10-30T13:51:01Z")
It’s been suggested that a post directed at Magiver properly belongs here, which makes sense. > [@Family sues Panera Bread over possible death from energy drink-do they have a case?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/family-sues-panera-bread-over-possible-death-from-energy-drink-do-they-have-a-case/992226/57): > > Uh huh. In order to convey the gist of it I need to replace “pour on one’s crotch” with "accidentally spill in a manner that causes a liquid to pour over one’s crotch, leg, and buttocks? Getting back to the meat of this thread (not actual meat) I think the lawyers have to prove some form of gross negligence on the part of Panera. Otherwise it’s carrot logic to say she died from consuming their product. What irritates me here are the arrogance and dismissive unwillingness to do even the most perfunctory research in case their callous views might be proven wrong ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/136 "2023-10-31T17:09:57Z")
Actaully I see some improvement on Magiver’s part in that post. He actually admitted that his original wording is incorrect. Usually his MO is to never admit a mistake and instead come up with increasingly far fetched claims to try to bolster his original claim (e.g. parachuting motor cycles, or that an umbrella is a more dangerous weapon than a car.) In this case I would have expected him to claim that it is impossible for hot coffee to accidentally spill out of a McDonalds cup and so the damage woman and others like her suffered must be self inflicted, devolving into further claims that the heat of the coffee vapor locks the cup so can can’t poor out, followed by claims that thermoses have to be specially designed to prevent this. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/137 "2023-10-31T17:13:41Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > so the damage woman and others like her suffered must be self inflicted It did sound as if he was implying that it was self-inflicted, but there were obviously none of the other parts you mentioned. I guess that’s progress… ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/138 "2024-02-25T01:13:11Z")
> [@Socialite Rebecca Grossman convicted two counts of gross vehicular manslaughter](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/socialite-rebecca-grossman-convicted-two-counts-of-gross-vehicular-manslaughter/998035/42): > > I specifically said I wasn’t defending her. Her speeding record alone is enough to hang her and I have no sympathy. And I thought I was clear about the SENSATION of speed. Again, have you ever found yourself speeding despite the visual cues? I’m pretty sure you have despite visual cues. He’s decided that driving 85 in a residential street could happen to anyone, not just a sociopath. I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/139 "2024-02-25T05:05:30Z")
For the record, I don’t even go 85 on roads with a posted speed limit of 85. I can just feel the gas guzzling from my car’s veins. Anything above 75 is vicarious agony to me. How someone could manage to do that on even the straightest and widest of residential avenues is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851/140 "2024-02-25T06:53:47Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > How someone could manage to do that on even the straightest and widest of residential avenues is beyond me. A significant shortfall of give-a-fuck is required. Self-induced chemical brain damage helps. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-magiver/937851.md?page=8)