# I Pit Martin Hyde **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 16, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-martin-hyde/944407 "2021-06-16T16:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 250
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-martin-hyde/944407/250 "2021-07-14T22:42:44Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > it’s that he tone policed people who had nasty things to say about absolutely horrible acts of mass abuse and murder. And then acted like everyone else was going off the rails for calling him on it. He also attacked people for misrepresenting what he was saying; while seriously misrepresenting what they were saying, and refusing to address it when that was pointed out to him. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > What I was seeing was poorly sourced claims that Martin was minimizing genocide when in fact that was an unfair characterization, substituting repetition for substantiation. I daresay most people would perceive such attacks as cheap shots. I don’t think it was an unfair characterization, though backing up the accuracy of that pattern would involve quoting a whole lot of posts, any one of which taken individually might have been innocuous. And what I was also seeing was Martin Hyde clearly saying, in more than one post, that while he thought the specific techniques used in the particular schools were awful he thought the underlying aim of cultural genocide was just fine. > [@Many hundreds of unmarked graves of Indigenous children discovered at Canadian residential schools](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/many-hundreds-of-unmarked-graves-of-indigenous-children-discovered-at-canadian-residential-schools/943674/133): > > it can’t be entirely denied that it also lead to some positive outcomes for native children that were denied previous generations–specifically certain educational opportunities. Education, the acquisition of literacy, competence at mathematics and formal logic have a lot of benefits for a person’s life, even if it is mixed with other, bad things. which could by itself be taken to mean he thought those things could be grafted on to the First Nations cultures without harming them, which if done in an entirely different fashion and voluntarily might have been a point (if one ignores the implication that those cultures had no education of their own), but then there’s this exchange (sorry for the length of quote, but I think the context’s necessary to make the point): > [@How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/152): > > I’d certainly agree there’s high poverty rates on reservations > [. . .] > > Going back to the “penned” comment above, is one solution to provide funding (through individual grants) to native families that want to relocate off-reservation? There’s probably a non-zero number that are stuck there out of generational poverty that would likely do better living almost anywhere else. [thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)[Guest](https://boards.straightdope.com/g/Registered) [Jun 17](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/172) > [@How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/152): > > Going back to the “penned” comment above, is one solution to provide funding (through individual grants) to native families that want to relocate off-reservation? There’s probably a non-zero number that are stuck there out of generational poverty that would likely do better living almost anywhere else. Your solution to community destruction is to finish breaking up the communities? > [@How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/173): > > I think a better question is how many want to leave the reservation if they had the financial means to do so? The reservations are often not even anywhere remotely close to the tribe’s historic lands, and many of the people living on them probably would enjoy life elsewhere. Giving them that freedom is a virtuous act. Largely because we, collectively, put these people on the reservations, they deserve the agency to decide if they want to leave. > [@How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/174): > > Give them the money, and let them choose whether they want to leave their existing communities, or to use it to improve those communities and their lives within them. Giving them the money only if they choose to leave is not giving them “agency.” – to which I got crickets. Now it’s possible Martin\_Hyde just doesn’t understand that getting as many tribe members as possible to leave tribal lands (which, as was pointed out elsewhere in the thread, in many cases are ancestral lands; and in at least some of the other cases have been held as communities for multiple generations) and instead scatter as individuals into the country as a whole would be an act of cultural destruction. But that is most definitely what he’s recommending. He just wants the culture to be destroyed by financial means, instead of by kidnapping and torture. And then, when people objected to this, he claimed they were calling him a Nazi. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-martin-hyde/944407)._