# I Pit Martin Hyde **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 16, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-martin-hyde/944407 "2021-06-16T16:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 278
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-martin-hyde/944407/278 "2021-07-17T05:19:24Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > In a thread now in the cornfields, an NZ born poster corrected another regarding the proper nomenclature for Maori citizens. I was trying to evade that issue. I am ignorant of the proper language. …others have addressed the other stuff you wrote. But regarding this: that NZ born poster is a loud-and-proud pro-colonialists. If he was in America he would be waving the confederate flag. “Maori are not indigenous” is a typical talking point from organizations like the One NZ Foundation and Hobson’s Pledge. Its nonsense. Example here: [http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/customary-rights-to-indigenous-people-but-maori-are-not-indigenous-to-new-zealand/](http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/customary-rights-to-indigenous-people-but-maori-are-not-indigenous-to-new-zealand/) [https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/reject\_co-governance](https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/reject_co-governance) It’s conspirational racist garbage. Martini uses the same tactics as Martin does: people believe what he says because he says them politely and authoritatively. But he does not speak for Maori. > **[Ministerial Statements — UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous...](https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansD_20100420_00000071/ministerial-statements-un-declaration-on-the-rights-of)** > > Hansard editors report what politicians say in the House of Representatives. Here you can read our near-verbatim reports on all debates, including oral questions and proposed laws (bills). > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > It’s another to imply that they are in the same group as those that deny that historically confirmed incidents of mass murder actually happened. Martin is in the same group as those that _minimize_ that historically confirmed incidents of mass murder actually happened. Shouting it down as _genocide minimization_ is simply speaking the truth, and the very least we can do. We need to be **explicit** that this is what he (and others) are doing. Because of stuff like this. In this post that I made a month ago I posted a link to a story that showed how 5 indigenous Australians had died already in custody this year. > [@How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/144): > > …I was the first person to use the word genocide in the unmarked grave thread. But in my first post I provided clear context. I quoted from and provided a link to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada’s 2015 report. In that report they stated: Using the word genocide, in this specific context, didn’t seem to be particularly uncontroversial to me. But apparently not. But it really doesn’t matter. Because it doesn’t matter what I say people aren’t going to listen to me. Because e… That number is now 10. 10 indigenous people have died in Australian custody since **March**. This **isn’t history.** That’s the point. > **[Aboriginal death in custody at Royal Adelaide Hospital](https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/aboriginal-death-in-custody-at-royal-adelaide-hospital/ldaiw3ub2)** > > The death of a 37-year-old man at Royal Adelaide Hospital on Thursday makes him the tenth Indigenous person to die in custody since March. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-martin-hyde/944407)._