# I Pit Men Who Think Working Women Are There to Service Their Sex Drive **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441 "2012-04-30T19:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Heart\_of\_Dorkness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/4bbf92/32.png) [@Heart\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heart_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/341 "2012-05-04T17:32:18Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I don’t have any difficulty whatsoever in believing that **Broomstick** heard exactly these statements, exactly as reported. In fact, I’m mildly astonished that you think that these are patently unbelievable. Yep, I’ve had several friends and coworkers who were visibly disabled in some way, and I’ve personally heard people say stuff exactly like this to and about them and their partners. Sadly, I find **Broomstick’s** post totally unremarkable. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/342 "2012-05-04T17:48:52Z")
Alright, consider me schooled on the ways of the world then. I guess I haven’t spent enough time time in NW Indiana and/or Wal-Mart. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/343 "2012-05-04T17:50:57Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Alright, consider me schooled on the ways of the world then. I guess I haven’t spent enough time time in NW Indiana and/or Wal-Mart. You do seem like a pretty classy guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/344 "2012-05-04T18:50:19Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > So there are no actual threads in which she told crazy stories, or at very least you can’t find any. But her credibility is totally questionable, in a thread in which she describes being treated in a way that is unacceptable but (grotesquely) obviously not all that uncommon for women. I don’t know if this is a credibility issue, or more an issue of poor communication coupled with an astonishing inability to acknowledge fault. But several years ago, **Broomstick** made this claim: > [@I pit Poverty and the current economic crisis](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-poverty-and-the-current-economic-crisis/479487/16): > > Monday of this week there was a three block line at the unemployment office as of 8 am in the morning. There are NO, repeat NO want ads in the local papers, not even for crap jobs. It’s been like that for weeks. The expectation is that it will only get worse. Now, there are a couple ways to read that – a literal claim that there have been zero want ads in the paper for weeks, or a more hyperbolic claim – there are no jobs for which she is suited, or something along those lines. Another poster in Broomtick’s local area comes along to post links to the online want ads, says the actual paper does have want ads, and so it’s at this point yoiu might expect her to clarify that “NO, repeat NO” want ads was not actually a literal claim. > [@I pit Poverty and the current economic crisis](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-poverty-and-the-current-economic-crisis/479487/37): > > The Times has contracted out their want ads to Yahoo - they are searchable by zip code. The one I linked to is for Munster; Gary has two pages worth. > > Fair enough - but those are just the new listings. The Post-Trib has a poor website design, integrated with the Chicago Sun Times. > > I do not dispute that the economy is shitty, and I’m not trying to be snarky. But I’m very curious, and since we both know this area… > > Why can’t you find a job? I know that our local papers are _filled_with job listings. Granted, some of them are “nationwide” scam-kinda listings, but there are still many, many jobs. I am a paralegal, and out of curiosity, I always check the clerical/admin type of jobs. There are tons of them around here, and that’s just in my field. And in response to another poster’s request for clarification: > [@I pit Poverty and the current economic crisis](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-poverty-and-the-current-economic-crisis/479487/81): > > \*\*Broomstick \*\*and I both live in Northwest Indiana. There are only two major papers in this area - The Hammond Times and the Gary Post-Tribune. There are a handful of local town papers, but they are not much more than ads and pictures of the Rotary Club. > > I obviously can’t scan and post the actual classifieds for our local papers, but their jobs sections are quite large. I linked to their websites - unfortunately, because of an attempt to control costs, they are both hooked up with larger web companies. The Post-Tribune is with the Chicago Sun Times, and the Times has now apparently joined the Yahoo jobs site. > > The Times jobs I linked to are for one town in the area - Munster. You can search by zip code for others. I tried Gary as well, and there were two pages worth of jobs. > > The Post-Tribune has always had a crappy website, but I note that they have seven “new” jobs posted, and it is my understanding those run by the day. So, today, seven new jobs were added to their job database. > > As I said, the actual classified job section is big, and even bigger on “employment” day, which I believe is Wednesday. > > \*\*Broomstick \*\*has had a crappy run of luck, and I appreciate her position. However, I am always wondering about those who say “There are no jobs” and it turns out there are many jobs, just not ones that they want or like. I was not taught that jobs need to conform to my wants and needs, but that I must change to meet the limits of the job. Again, a perfect time to back off and say, “Look, obviously there are some jobs listed, but they are unsuitable.” But instead Broomstick chose to continue to defend her claim, and lashed out at the questioning of her: > [@Broomstick](#): > > Fine, call me a liar, say it’s all my fault, it’s still the party line that the poor are poor because they choose to be poor and deserve to suffer. I’ve been hearing it for decades, and even more since I was laid off because management decided to eliminate wholesale an entire job category and not because of a conduct problem. That couldn’t possibly happen to any of the privileged characters who enjoy pissing on people going through a hard time. After all, if it’s not the poor peoples’ fault then - OMG! - you might one day have bad luck yourself! Which, of course, was a nice attempt to deflect the specific inquiry about the literal number of ads in the paper onto a more general topic of sympathy for the poor. I questioned the literal claim, and said it might have been one day, but not weeks. No, she insisted, it had been weeks with no want ads: > [@I pit Poverty and the current economic crisis](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-poverty-and-the-current-economic-crisis/479487/146): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > C’mon – for weeks, every single place you looked, there were NO, repeat NO, want ads? > > Uh.. yeah. There hasn’t been any odd job construction things for me to do the last couple weeks of December (last day I worked was the 19th) and I’ve spent the better part of two weeks trying to get the Federal unemployment extension that I was told in a nice formal letter I qualified for. The fact my past year’s work history extends to two states is apparently causing some trouble and confusion, along the fact that Lake County closed one of it’s two “full service” unemployment offices resulting in extreme overcrowding and backlogs at the remaining office. It’s been particularly bad of late. I didn’t intend for it to take so long, but at least give me credit for continuing to look for something while standing in a three block long line at 8 am freezing my ass off. While at the unemployment office I clearly wasn’t on MY computer or the library’s and while they have some there at the UO they were restricting them to those entering claims and not permitting their use for job searches due to the aforementioned overcrowding. The thread degenerated from there, with me continuing to point out that it was fine to have made a hyperbolic statement, but don’t defend it as literal… and if you are defending it as literal, it’s a lie. In looking back on it, I don’t think the issue was dishonesty. I think it was poor communication skills. A simple rolleyes at the beginning, with a “Yes, genius, you got me. There want ads for electricians and diesel mechanics. Thanks for the catch,” would have defused it. And of course being me, I couldn’t let it go without an acknowledgement of the misstatement, which was perhaps not my finest hour. But for whatever it’s worth, this example answers your literal question. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/345 "2012-05-04T18:53:56Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > I know dumbass, I was being sarcastic in context of claims here that women must treat all pervs as potential rapists, logic shouldn’t stop there was my point. but whatever sugar tits, go make me a sammich. So we’re clear: you think women should treat all men as potential rapists? [QUOTE=Bob Ducca] Alright, consider me schooled on the ways of the world then. I guess I haven’t spent enough time time in NW Indiana and/or Wal-Mart. [/QUOTE] Perhaps the problem is just that you’re a complete fucking imbecile. Especially if you think you have to go to Indiana or Wal-Mart to get treated that way. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/346 "2012-05-04T19:07:22Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > So we’re clear: you think women should treat all men as potential rapists? I’m not the person this was directed at, but I’m sure nobody thinks you’re a rapist, so don’t worry, your White Knighting here might still pay off for ya. > [@](#): > > Perhaps the problem is just that you’re a complete fucking imbecile. Especially if you think you have to go to Indiana or Wal-Mart to get treated that way. Oh, is that how you read my post? I could see why you might. I was just lamenting the lack of time I’ve spent in either of those places. I hear both are lovely in the Fall. If I just wanted to hang out w/ low-class pieces of shit, I’d spend more time reading your posts. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/347 "2012-05-04T19:20:25Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I think he has a point. Grossed out or scared is one thing, “three showers and still not clean” is a-fucking-nother. If this kind of thing happens all the time, as we are told through this thread, isn’t there a little immunity to the shock? Could you give me a for-instance from this thread of where this sort of thing happens all the time? (And I’m talking about his _second visit_, btw; I agree that just the sort of thing that happened in the first encounter is unfortunately all too routine.) That’s the part that was creepy and threatening. And while women may experience encounters like that more frequently than they would like (frequency that they’d like such encounters to happen: zero per lifetime would probably be about right), I doubt that there’s really any getting used to it. Yeah, odds are that particular guy isn’t going to stalk the OP. The problem is, you don’t know which creepy guy _will_ be the true threat. Which means a woman has to be on her guard about _all_ the creeps. Which has to just plain suck. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/348 "2012-05-04T20:02:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Yeah, odds are that particular guy isn’t going to stalk the OP. The problem is, you don’t know which creepy guy _will_ be the true threat. Which means a woman has to be on her guard about _all_ the creeps. Which has to just plain suck. Yes, I have no problem with “on guard.” I, personally, thought that “three showers and I don’t feel clean,” was, however, a overreaction. But that’s just my personal reaction; there’s no rule that my personal standard is somehow the correct one for the world. ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/349 "2012-05-04T20:05:51Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > So we’re clear: you think women should treat all men as potential rapists? When I pointed out in the thread that not all pervs are potential rapists it was pointed out to me that no woman knows that. So they treat all pervs as potential rapists. The theme of this thread is that unwanted advances, creepy behaviour and fear of rape is a very serious problem in womens lives and is of concern to them. With all that said in the case of Mr Nice Guy rapists, the only logically conclusion based on this line of thinking, because Mr. Nice Guy Rapists do exist so these women must treat all men as potential rapists based on their logic not mine. But they don’t have the nerve to say it. Fortunately I know not all women live their lives this way, and these women are in the minority. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/350 "2012-05-04T20:08:49Z")
Maybe Broomstick tends to exaggerate, and she has a persecution complex, but her issue in this pitting hits a nerve with people who have been faced with similar and worse situations. Sometimes just looking at, or being nice to the wrong person, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, can bring on a whole set of unexpected difficulties and consequences. I grew up in a big city, and was taught at an early age to avoid eye contact, not to smile at strangers, and to be prepared for trouble. When I moved to a small town, I was shocked at the lack of self protection that the people appeared to have, but was the norm in that setting. In the OP’s case, maybe the guy didn’t believe he was doing anything wrong, and assumed broomstick should have taken his attentions as a compliment, but that still wouldn’t make her feelings or claims any less valid. She perceived herself to be in danger, felt threatened, intimidated, harassed, and I believe her. ---
**Author:** ![Deegeea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Deegeea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deegeea)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/351 "2012-05-04T20:23:28Z")
Note first: I am a woman, middle aged, and have not been the target of the sort of attacks or creepiness in this thread often enough that I can even recall an instance. I have never worked in retail. Given that the sort of assaults described by, for example, Diosa happen horribly often, and that the sort of creepiness experienced by Broomstick in the original post also happen horribly often, I still fail to see any evidence that there’s a direct causal or correlative connection. Diosa’s stories tell of attacks that were not preceded by creepiness. Broomstick’s story tells of creepiness that was not followed by an attack. Why then is there so much emphasis on Broomstick being reasonably afraid of attack because of the creepiness? We should focus on condemning the creepiness intrinsically. Being emotionally abusive to strangers in their place of employment is bad all by itself, not because it might signal an intent to commit a crime on that person (which I don’t see any evidence of here anyway) but because it is inappropriate and ill mannered and ugly behavior in itself. I am not implying that this kind of creepy emotional bullying is a behavior that is equal to assault or rape. I do not think that is the bar to set though (“he’s ok, he didn’t commit assault or rape” is not much of a compliment). If I had to equate it to something, I would say it’s equal to cheating on a committed relationship. Note final: I have been personally acquainted with at least five molesters/rapists and only found out when they went to trial or I read about it in the newspaper. Only one of the four set off my instictive reaction (my brother in law did, my teacher/my psychologist/my co-worker/my son’s coach did not). The few (around ten total) other people who set off that instinctive reaction have never demonstrated that sort of behavior that I know of (or any other illegal behavior - just creepiness). I do not think that trusting my creepiness feeling adds to safety. If anything it gives a false sense of security. Finally, telling someone they should have known when they are a victim of attack is cruel and inappropriate. Telling people how to avoid becoming a victim, can be appropriate, **only** when there is objective evidence that the steps suggested actually work. Otherwise you’re just laying groundwork for blaming them if they become a victim. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/352 "2012-05-04T20:40:17Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > I’m not the person this was directed at, but I’m sure nobody thinks you’re a rapist, so don’t worry, your White Knighting here might still pay off for ya. Then why did you answer it? Especially as you clearly didn’t get the point. You’re obviously kind of a dimwit. > [@](#): > > If I just wanted to hang out w/ low-class pieces of shit, I’d spend more time reading your posts. LOL. You obviously love trying to bully people on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/353 "2012-05-04T20:40:43Z")
> [@Deegeea](#): > > I am not implying that this kind of creepy emotional bullying is a behavior that is equal to assault or rape. I do not think that is the bar to set though (“he’s ok, he didn’t commit assault or rape” is not much of a compliment). If I had to equate it to something, I would say it’s equal to cheating on a committed relationship. I disagree. It’s sexual harassment by a customer and it’s illegal, at least where I live (and if I’m reading this [site](http://www.hreoc.gov.au/sexualharassment/index.html) correctly). I find it unsurprising that security took it seriously in Broomstick’s case and expect that police would have as well. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/354 "2012-05-04T20:44:30Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > LOL. You obviously love trying to bully people on the internet. Clearly he is a rapist. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/355 "2012-05-04T20:48:11Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Then why did you answer it? Especially as you clearly didn’t get the point. You’re obviously kind of a dimwit. > LOL. You obviously love trying to bully people on the internet. Let me know if you achieve your goal to become the most annoying newbie of 2012. That living\_in\_hell is tough competition. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/356 "2012-05-04T20:56:50Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Clearly he is a rapist. I raped a lot of people today, men AND women. The Handshake Convention is in town. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/357 "2012-05-04T20:59:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, I have no problem with “on guard.” > > I, personally, thought that “three showers and I don’t feel clean,” was, however, a overreaction. But that’s just my personal reaction; there’s no rule that my personal standard is somehow the correct one for the world. Boy, you really picked the needle from the haystack, didn’t you? What upset me about your post back on the first page was: > [@](#): > > I guess I’m a little confused about why this upset you so much. Yes, it’s clear the man has no social skills and no real sense of propriety. And I understand that those are danger signs that you’d be foolish to simply forget. > > But at the same time, what I hear you relating is not, as I think about it, fearsome or threatening contact. It’s simply boorish and rude. Who _cares_ about the goddamn showers? The point is, this _was_ fearsome and threatening conduct. This guy showed up the second time apparently for the primary purpose of demanding why she hadn’t called him yet. Maybe this guy will forget all about her after this incident. But maybe not. If I were a woman in Broomstick’s situation, I’d be looking into what it takes to get a restraining order, and investing in a handgun and a concealed carry permit. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/358 "2012-05-04T20:59:47Z")
I’ve got no dog in this fight, but I do understand why some people might find someone incredulous if that particular someone told stories about how they ninja kicked someone in the thigh and it broke that person’s femur. I was actually curious how possible this was, so I did a bit of googling. Several examples of people breaking their own legs (but not the femur) from throwing kicks. An example of a football kicker who managed to break his own femur from kicking the ground by mistake. My own cousin broke her femur from landing oddly during a triple jump. I also found a man who’s femur was broken by a kick, but he was kicked by a horse. I did manage to find a video of a man who’s femur suffered a hairline fracture from receiving a kick to the leg. The man doing the kicking was Forrest Griffin, the former UFC light heavyweight champion. A professional athlete who is at the top of his game and weighs 205 lbs. The man he kicked was a reporter, not an athlete. Here’s the video, it’s not graphic or anything. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7KMRMcVDZLE/hqdefault.jpg "Forrest Griffin Kicks Newby") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KMRMcVDZLE) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/359 "2012-05-04T21:06:03Z")
> [@Deegeea](#): > > Note final: I have been personally acquainted with at least five molesters/rapists and only found out when they went to trial or I read about it in the newspaper. Only one of the four set off my instictive reaction (my brother in law did, my teacher/my psychologist/my co-worker/my son’s coach did not). The few (around ten total) other people who set off that instinctive reaction have never demonstrated that sort of behavior that I know of (or any other illegal behavior - just creepiness). I do not think that trusting my creepiness feeling adds to safety. If anything it gives a false sense of security. Finally, telling someone they should have known when they are a victim of attack is cruel and inappropriate. Telling people how to avoid becoming a victim, can be appropriate, **only** when there is objective evidence that the steps suggested actually work. Otherwise you’re just laying groundwork for blaming them if they become a victim. I think you’ve undermined your own argument here. Of the ~10 men who’ve set off your creepiness radar, one has turned out to be a rapist or molester. Of the many hundreds of men you’ve known who haven’t set off your creepiness radar, four have turned out to be rapists or molesters. P(proven rapist or molester|creepiness radar set off) = ~1/10. P(proven rapist or molester|creepiness radar not set off) = ~1/100. I’d keep trusting that radar. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/360 "2012-05-04T21:09:16Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Clearly he is a rapist. Now, I’m sure we can all get together and work this out. **mister nyx** , do you like pinball? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441.md?page=19)