# I Pit Men Who Think Working Women Are There to Service Their Sex Drive **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441 "2012-04-30T19:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/101 "2012-05-01T14:01:16Z")
Ugh. I’m sorry that happened to you. I worked various retail jobs in college, and you wouldn’t believe how many men see a woman trying to do a job and think “Awesome! There is a girl who is paid to smile and will lose her job if she runs away. Now’s the time to get sleazy.” I’ve got a dozen similar situations. Perhaps the worst was when I was working as a hotel desk clerk. I worked alone in a small office. Sometimes I’d be on duty for a week straight, 24/7, sleeping in the manager’s quarters behind the front desk. Quite often I’d get business men coming in solo and hoping to get some action, and figuring the desk clerk was an easy place to start the quest. Often they’d ask me for good bars to pick up girls for sex at (I’d always direct them to the local gay bar, haha.) Anyway, these interactions were always uncomfortable because I was alone in the office, and I’d be there at night. One time a guy came in speaking Spanish. He talked for about ten minutes, and I had no idea what he was saying. After some talking, it became apparent he was expressing some sort of affection to me. I was confused and as it went on, I started to get extremely uncomfortable. After some time, he left five dollars on the table and left. It was not a good night’s sleep that night. I don’t think you guys realize how this stuff can get under your skin. When you know you have been personally targeted for something, and you have no idea what. And you know that wherever this goes, you may not have control over it. And you are at work, and you can’t really leave the situation without disrupting your whole life. It’s just a deeply uncomfortable feeling. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/96bed5/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/102 "2012-05-01T14:03:16Z")
You have my sympathy, **Broomstick** , both for the asshat in the store and the asshats in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/103 "2012-05-01T14:11:02Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Yeah, it’s pretty common. Sure, MOST men think that this is stuff that almost never happens, because they never do it, and so they think it’s funny. But any woman who has had to work knows that it’s pretty common, and it’s not funny at all. There really are men who think that all women will put out if a man can only come up with enough cash (or its equivalent). And while these men are a minority of men, they aren’t nearly rare enough, and they don’t get called on their bullshit often enough. > > The worst part is that a lot of workplaces expect the women to just put up with this shit, it’s part of interacting with the public. When I was working as a sales rep( I was selling lighting products to architects and engineers ). I encountered so many men that would pretend to have a need for the commercial products I was selling in order to try to get close to me that I purchased and wore a wedding ring to work every day. It was infuriating – not only because of the annoyance factor but the economic one --------- I wasted a lot of time working up layouts and budgets for projects that didn’t exist — and these idiots all seemed to think I was pretending to be a sales rep in order to sleep with lots of men. The ring ( and it was a real one, it cost a couple of hundred bucks ) is still in my jewelry box. When I die, whomever finds it is going to think I harbored some sort of deep secret in my life, they will never suspect the story is so mundane ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/104 "2012-05-01T14:16:28Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > WHEN LECHERS ATTACK Coming soon to Lifetime WHEN LECHERS ATTACK Broomstick: No, Mr. Lecher! A cat is a living creature. Lecher: I don’t care. [kicks it with his _new sandals_] [throws over some empty shoeboxes] Lecher: Now I’m going to grab me some _sweet handshaking_. Broomsticj: No, Mr. Lecher, that’s sexual harassment. If you keep it up, I’ll yell so loud the whole country will hear! Lecher: [laughs] With a _man_ in the White House? [laughs] Not likely! [laughs more] A story you _cannot_ miss. A message you _must not_ ignore. If you know a woman or just are one, you _must_ see this film. Coming soon to Lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/105 "2012-05-01T14:20:41Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > It’s adorable how confident you are that this would resolve the issue instead of potentially escalating it. In my personal experience_s_ (note the plural, there), that response is more likely to escalate the situation and make him pissed off and potentially aggressive. Gosh, because it’s not like a woman who had a decent modeling career and has lived in NYC all her life would know anything at all about being hassled by men, right? I speak from my experience_s_ (note the plural, there). I know how how to handle it because I have been _successfully_ handling it all my life. My approach works. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/106 "2012-05-01T14:40:17Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Too much of this sounds like “why did you lead him on?” or “why are you alone in the shop?” or “why didn’t you leave?”. That’s how it sounds to me at least. A lot of people don’t get it. To their eyes, these questions are perfectly reasonable and non-accusatory. They don’t see the subtext at all. They don’t see that the problem isn’t you, but rather the jerk in your story. A few years ago, I vented about a creep in my workplace who kept pestering for a date everytime I saw him. To me, this behavior is beyond wrong. It’s rude, it’s obnoxious, it’s unprofessional, it’s exasperating, and yes, it’s creepy. After the tenth time or so I turned him down, he had to have known that I didn’t want to go out with him; but that didn’t take away whatever thrill it gave him to keep asking me. It was like he saw me as being some slot machine that eventually had to pay out if he pulled my lever enough times. I wasn’t a human being whose feelings were worth considering. I was a game. Some posters told me that I was leading him on by not being explicit in my rejection of him. I needed to be firmer, harsher, less cordial, because otherwise I was giving him good reason to keep up the pestering. Some women out there play hard to get, ya know? How’s he supposed to know your “no, I can’t make it, but thanks” doesn’t actually mean “no, but ask me 10 more times and I might say yes”? This is the problem with women; they are too nice and wishy washy. Blah blah blah blah. And to this, I say ignore it. The guy is a jerk who belongs under a rock somewhere, and his behavior has nothing to do with what you did or didn’t do, and all to do with his screwed up psychology. A lot of us can relate. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/107 "2012-05-01T14:40:57Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > [CENTER] **DivaCup®** > _in association with_ > **SnackWell’s® Sensible Snacks** > \* > present\* > > a Lifetime Original Movie: > \*\* > WHEN LECHERS ATTACK\*\* > \* > Starring\* > \*\* > VALERIE BERTINELLI\*\* as _Broomstick the Cobbler/Victim_ > **YASMINE BLEETH** as _the Concerned Best Friend_ > **THAT GUY WHO USED TO BE IN “WINGS” OR SOMETHING** as\* the Concerned Husband\* > **EMILIO ESTEVEZ** as _the Concerned Septic Tank Repairman_ > **THE MALE MEMBERS OF THE STRAIGHT DOPE MESSAGE BOARD** as _the Anonymous Victim-blamers Who’ll Never Know What it’s Like to Be a Woman_ > \* > and Special Guest Star\* > \*\* > JEFFREY WRIGHT\*\* as \*the Old Creeper with an Indeterminate Foreign Accent > \* > brought to you by > _ **LIFETIME TELEVISION** _ > _"TV for the EstroGeneration"™_[/CENTER] Quoting this in its entirety because it is, without exaggeration, the best thing I’ve ever seen posted on this board. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/108 "2012-05-01T14:47:50Z")
Broomstick, I’m so sorry that happened. On behalf of nice guys everywhere I just want to say: Eeeeewww… I hope you can get back on an even keel soon. I’m giving your comments a lot of slack because you’ve been “creeped on”. And after talking to my female friends in retail, I am seriously NEVER flirting with anyone in retail ever again (actually, I’m just an overly friendly person, but not in a store any more). I honestly had no idea how often you have to deal with creepers. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/109 "2012-05-01T15:10:41Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > This was not guys just expressing their, shall we say, appreciation for the beauty of women and their pleasure being around them. There’s harmless stuff and then there is the shit that sets off alarm bells. File a police report for harassment. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/110 "2012-05-01T15:26:45Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Coming soon to Lifetime WHEN LECHERS ATTACK Hahaha. It’s funny, you see, because lechers never attack. Rape and stalking never happen. So women have no reason to fear for their personal safety when people are acting unpredictably towards them. The thing about horrible people is that they’ve had their whole lives to be horrible, and they get good at it with practice. People who commit horrible acts for psychological gratification (as opposed to for money or whatever) generally don’t run out of the shadows and grab people. They test their victims. They see how far they can push things, getting a handle on what kind of victim you’ll be. Then, when they feel like it’s a good setup, they do what they are there to do. And there are all kinds of psychological tricks that work on pretty much anyone. For example, murderers and rapists will often solicit a small favor from a target. This creates some cognitive dissonance, so that the victim feels invested in this interaction and is more willing to go on to the next step. Often times the baddie will set a tone of mild disapproval, which subtly encourages the victim to win his favor by “performing well.” These are all real things that work in other situations- for example, pick up artists use the “neg” to pick up women, and soliciting small favors at work is actually a really good way to cement relationships with coworkers. Baddies are pretty good at getting you halfway down a bad road before you know you are there. They start with an innocuous line of conversation, and they try to get you deeper and deeper into it before they start turning on the weird. Then they see how you react to the weird, and use that to judge if you’d be a good target. But they are really good at all of this, and it’s not reasonable to expect to see it coming. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/111 "2012-05-01T16:02:36Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Baddies are pretty good at getting you halfway down a bad road before you know you are there. They start with an innocuous line of conversation, and they try to get you deeper and deeper into it before they start turning on the weird. Then they see how you react to the weird, and use that to judge if you’d be a good target. But they are really good at all of this, and it’s not reasonable to expect to see it coming. **Broomstick** has clearly detected the weird. So we can skip right to the “getting rid of the weirdo” step. If she is fearful and feels threatened, file a police report. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/112 "2012-05-01T16:04:06Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yeah, HE did, but until he “left when asked” she didn’t know if he was the “leave when asked” sort or the “pursue her even harder” sort. > > Dude, using a handshake to caress a woman’s hand, _especially_ to do so in a surreptitious manner, is NOT NORMAL. This is yet another case where the women are going to get it and the men aren’t. In my experienceS (note the plural) doing the “secret caress” while shaking hands always leads to the guy trying to get you aside later to continue his “seduction” because, you know, he’s so godddamn manly a mere touch of your hand will make you want to be his sexual play thing. > > Here’s another clue - women are barred from being Freemasons, so a Freemason will _never_ be doing the secret Mason handshake to a woman. So no, it can’t be that. Nice try to discredit the gal discussing something that sets the warning bells off. For you and the person you’re responding to, it’s worth pointing out that, although at the time I weighed around 90 lbs, I’m a man. Even so, trust me, the dude wasn’t thinking that the tiny 18-year-old hippie working at the bakery was a fellow Freemason. I posted that story because your OP had a very visceral effect on me, and I think I can trace it back to the creepy dude in my own retail past (in my story, my one regret is that I didn’t call the Big Brother program to report him; I strongly and seriously suspect him of abusing his “little brother”). Had I not had that experience of harassment (and others, such as the time as a teenager that a large man followed me down an alley making kissing noises and saying, “how much, how much?”), I’m not sure I’d get it either. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/113 "2012-05-01T16:06:45Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Dude, using a handshake to caress a woman’s hand, _especially_ to do so in a surreptitious manner, is NOT NORMAL. This is yet another case where the women are going to get it and the men aren’t. In my experienceS (note the plural) doing the “secret caress” while shaking hands always leads to the guy trying to get you aside later to continue his “seduction” because, you know, he’s so godddamn manly a mere touch of your hand will make you want to be his sexual play thing. > > Here’s another clue - women are barred from being Freemasons, so a Freemason will _never_ be doing the secret Mason handshake to a woman. So no, it can’t be that. Nice try to discredit the gal discussing something that sets the warning bells off. Nitpick: **Left Hand of Dorkness** , the poster who recounted the incident with the creepy customer offering a “palm-caressing handshake” on his first day at work, is male. The creepy customer he encountered was a gay male creep, as the anecdote makes clear: > [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > When I was 19, I got a job working retail at a bakery. My first day on the job, when I was extra-eager-puppy-try-to-please-the-customers, I was working the counter, and a middle-aged man struck up a conversation. I told him my name; he said, “Wow! I’m in the big brother program!” and showed me a picture of an eight-year-old boy in a baseball uniform in his wallet. He told me his name, reached out to shake my hand– > > –and caressed my palm with his middle finger during the handshake. > > Should that have upset me? Perhaps not. I invite you to try an experiment: next time you see a male buddy, offer to shake his hand, and without telling him, caress his palm with your middle finger. Ask him how he’d respond if a stranger did this to him. If a stranger did this to him as a teenager. After showing him a picture of his “Little Brother.” ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/114 "2012-05-01T16:12:00Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The only way the guy’s 2nd visit would have some creepiness mitigated would have been if he had said, “I’m sorry I acted like a jerk, I had a really bad reaction to some new medication.” Ok, that may be a better response. I was thinking of the situation from the stalker’s point of view. Why I was doing that, I don’t know > [@Kimstu](#): > > Nitpick: **Left Hand of Dorkness** , the poster who recounted the incident with the creepy customer offering a “palm-caressing handshake” on his first day at work, is male. The creepy customer he encountered was a gay male creep, as the anecdote makes clear: Maybe that’s just how he shakes hands? I don’t think people should read too much into things all the time ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/115 "2012-05-01T16:30:00Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Maybe that’s just how he shakes hands? I don’t think people should read too much into things all the time Except that the customer finally caught him in the store, demanded to know why LHoD was avoiding him, and then angrily chastized him about not being straightforward with him. So yeah, skeevy customer hitting on skinny boyish teenager. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/116 "2012-05-01T16:31:30Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Hahaha. It’s funny, you see, because lechers never attack. Rape and stalking never happen. So women have no reason to fear for their personal safety when people are acting unpredictably towards them. Oh shut up, you pious twit. You’re as stupid as you seem if you believe this, and if you don’t believe it but just wanted to launch into yet another boring “me! me! me!” diatribe, then stop flapping your yap here, and get a blog. Since your post suggests that you have some sort of congenital brain defect, allow me to explain in teeny-tiny words: To whatever degree my post was funny, it’s funny because it’s a Simpsons quote and because Broomstick’s initial reaction (in post 8) to purely supportive posts was so over-the-top freaky bizarre. If you don’t want the guy who stalked you mocked (which is what she was reacting to in posts 2-7) and only want {{{{{huggles}}}}}, don’t fucking post in the Pit, post in MPSIMS where you’ll get people {{{hugging}}} you and posting ASCII art of kittens and flowers. Hell, even Broomstick seems to understand the miscommunication when she says "So, sorry if I offended someone who was trying to by sympathetic or came across as rude but I am fucking pissed as hell about this as well as scared and it doesn’t bring out the best in me. "–and I can understand the “I was freaked out and it doesn’t bring out the best in me” feeling perfectly. But I’ll bet you DO you know this but you just want to lecture someone about your own shallow, boring opinions in your standard condescending tone. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/117 "2012-05-01T16:33:19Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Quoting this in its entirety because it is, without exaggeration, the best thing I’ve ever seen posted on this board. Maybe not THE best, but damn near. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/118 "2012-05-01T16:33:24Z")
I had an experience like this once - a 60+ YO man who despite repeated firm assurances that i was not interested, kept coming back and making me uncomfortable. Now I really wasn’t afraid of him or anything but it was annoying as hell. If you’ve never been in this position, no, you can’t really understand. It’s creepifying to have someone lurking everytime you step out of the office, or even stopping by your office just to say hello. (He worked in the same building). And I don’t really want to be a bitch unless I have to. I still have to see him around the building. I just want to be left alone. My empathies. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/119 "2012-05-01T16:42:37Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Quoting this in its entirety because it is, without exaggeration, the best thing I’ve ever seen posted on this board. It’s certainly up there with the great ones. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441/120 "2012-05-01T16:51:25Z")
This thread is amusing. Even though we’ve had thread after thread of “Rape happens all the time, everywhere” vs. “No it doesn’t, and only creeps do it,” the feminists want to go another round. But the funny part is that no one is playing the role of their opponent. All of **Broomstick** ’s critics have been about her posts in this thread, not her feelings about the situation, not about how the creeper was justified…none of that. And yet we still have people like **even sven** trying to rally the troops to go “So what, it’s _her_ fault?!” **Broomstick** , I like you. I’m sorry this happened to you. It must have been scary for you. But with the exception of a pissed-off **Steophan** late in the thread, I don’t see anyone saying anything remotely close to “The guy’s not creepy” or “This is all your fault” or “You deserved it.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-men-who-think-working-women-are-there-to-service-their-sex-drive/620441.md?page=7)