# I pit misogyny/sexism on Twitter **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 22, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978 "2014-05-22T01:35:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/141 "2014-05-25T18:20:50Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > I would rather not get into that, sorry. Er…why not? You’re the one who started this thread. If this woman had a username that pissed you off and caused the whole shit storm that resulted in this thread then what it is is certainly very relevant. So, what is it? ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/142 "2014-05-25T18:37:28Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > You’re philosophy not only naively ignores human nature with respect to power, it also completely misunderstands “value” when it comes to work. > When you say “those who actually do the work”, can you describe who is not doing work in an example corporation, for example a company like Target? Instead of Target, let’s look at Microsoft, tell us who is doing the “actual” work: 1 - The guy duplicating disks of software and mailing them out to customers 2 - The guy (the “boss”) that created the deal with IBM (and Seattle Computer for DOS) ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/143 "2014-05-25T18:38:47Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er…why not? > > You’re the one who started this thread. > > If this woman had a username that pissed you off and caused the whole shit storm that resulted in this thread then what it is is certainly very relevant. > > So, what is it? I’m guessing it was something sex-related that used a word the OP disapproved of, e.g. CuteSlut81. Women aren’t allowed to use words like that. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/144 "2014-05-25T18:41:40Z")
We’re not? What about AdorableSkank82? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/145 "2014-05-25T19:24:45Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You know what, if the Mods are going to gag me and yet allow this to go on, I’m done. Good luck on organizing that gangbang, **Guin**. I’m not going to be reading the Pit to see the results. _Searches thread for mod action_ _Finds none_ _Leaves even more baffled than before_ ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/146 "2014-05-25T19:56:36Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Yeah, they worked out well. For about ten minutes. Certainly long enough to gauge their longterm success. And then the jackbooted thugs marched in to fill the power vacuum. > > Do you actually know any history? Actually, they worked out very well, and then the jackbooted thugs who do the bidding of power and privilege obeyed their orders to crush these libertarian movements. Some of the examples I listed are still around today, and have you ever heard of Mondragon, and the Evergreen Cooperatives? > [@RaftPeople](#): > > You’re philosophy not only naively ignores human nature with respect to power, it also completely misunderstands “value” when it comes to work. > When you say “those who actually do the work”, can you describe who is not doing work in an example corporation, for example a company like Target? > [@RaftPeople](#): > > Instead of Target, let’s look at Microsoft, tell us who is doing the “actual” work: > 1 - The guy duplicating disks of software and mailing them out to customers > 2 - The guy (the “boss”) that created the deal with IBM (and Seattle Computer for DOS) I’ve not worked for Target, but I have worked for years at somewhat similar places, and I can tell you that a big part of what makes such work so miserable (and inefficient, and inadequate, and thus bad for the consumer and the larger economy) is that decisions are made by clueless suits far, far away, who have no idea of what things are actually like in the shops. The endless parade of time-wasting, mind-crushing idiocy that flows downhill is completely unnecessary. With workers’ councils in charge, how much of that would there be? Regarding Microsoft, there’s nothing person #2 does that a workers’ council could not. Humans are social animals. Mutual aid is in our nature. It takes things like the lies of nations, religions, “races”, gender roles, and so on to create opposition and hostility. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/147 "2014-05-25T20:10:11Z")
So you have the enclave of people, and one of them is doing nothing and leeching off everyone else. So you all get together and agree to boot them out. Congrats, you just invented a government with a judicial system! A really arbitrary judicial system with nobody to review your actions, but a judicial system nonetheless. Later, you find another group of people, and agree to trade your turnips for their carrots, because you’re kind of sick of turnips. It turns out that all these rapists, murderers, thieves, and general layabouts you’ve exiled have become highwaymen. They’re raiding your caravans, but none of your enclaves can really deal with them. So you and a bunch of enclaves get together to patrol the area and take out the highwaymen… Anarchy is a completely unstable form of government, even assuming the worst doesn’t happen and a conniving power hungry figure doesn’t seize power in a vacuum (which is likely in a lot of places), things **don’t work** unless people start making contracts, and contracts don’t work as well when you don’t have some group of people to enforce those contracts. None of this is to say that all government is equal, or there aren’t specifics cases even now where power should be more localized, but anarchy is always going to trend towards government sooner or later. And that’s in a fake world where no government ever existed. This isn’t even taking into account the mutually assured destruction scenario in the real world where, e.g., dissolving the US is just going to cause other superpowers to gobble us up. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/148 "2014-05-25T20:21:13Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Actually, they worked out very well, and then the jackbooted thugs who do the bidding of power and privilege obeyed their orders to crush these libertarian movements. Some of the examples I listed are still around today, and have you ever heard of Mondragon, and the Evergreen Cooperatives? > > I’ve not worked for Target, but I have worked for years at somewhat similar places, and I can tell you that a big part of what makes such work so miserable (and inefficient, and inadequate, and thus bad for the consumer and the larger economy) is that decisions are made by clueless suits far, far away, who have no idea of what things are actually like in the shops. The endless parade of time-wasting, mind-crushing idiocy that flows downhill is completely unnecessary. With workers’ councils in charge, how much of that would there be? > > Regarding Microsoft, there’s nothing person #2 does that a workers’ council could not. > > Humans are social animals. Mutual aid is in our nature. It takes things like the lies of nations, religions, “races”, gender roles, and so on to create opposition and hostility. So anyway, since you started this thread decrying “misogyny and sexism on twitter” please tell us what was the woman’s username that struck you as so sexist you had to react in such a way. You’re the one that brought it up and you’re the one who started this thread. I’m not trying to trap you, but without knowing what her username was it’s difficult to render an informed opinion re your actions. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/149 "2014-05-25T20:26:33Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I’m guessing it was something sex-related that used a word the OP disapproved of, e.g. CuteSlut81. Women aren’t allowed to use words like that. Really Not All That Hairy ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/150 "2014-05-25T21:56:51Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Actually, they worked out very well, and then the jackbooted thugs who do the bidding of power and privilege obeyed their orders to crush these libertarian movements. So they work, they’re just helpless in the face of opposition? That sounds like a recipe for social success! I am seeing a pattern emerge, though. You seem drawn to idealistic positions that have no chance of actually improving anyone else’s lives, but whose primary purpose is to provide you with the opportunity to feel righteous and moral. Lucky for you, other people have done and continue to do the hard work to make sure useless twits like you have the luxury and security of a stable society, thus freeing you up to jerk off to your own useless ideals without getting robbed and murdered by the nearest warlord or militia member. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/151 "2014-05-25T23:17:25Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > So anyway, since you started this thread decrying “misogyny and sexism on twitter” please tell us what was the woman’s username that struck you as so sexist you had to react in such a way. I, too, want to know the username. As it stands now, we have an OP that is pitting people we don’t know and refuses to tell us what made him pit them in the first place. Additionally, he hasn’t put forth a single tweet. It’s all just way too vague. He has never come forth with anything anybody actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/152 "2014-05-26T00:03:43Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Actually, they worked out very well, and then the jackbooted thugs who do the bidding of power and privilege obeyed their orders to crush these libertarian movements. Some of the examples I listed are still around today, and have you ever heard of Mondragon, and the Evergreen Cooperatives? Are you familiar with the term “power vacuum”? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/153 "2014-05-26T01:43:07Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > It gets especially cringe worthy in page 14 where \*\*Mr Dibble \*\* starts talking about how children can feel sexual pleasure…: In the interests of accuracy, in case there was any question: they can and do. Which doesn’t mean anything with regards to pedophiles, consent, etc. just making sure facts don’t get trampled. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/154 "2014-05-26T02:13:42Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > In the interests of accuracy, in case there was any question: they can and do. Which doesn’t mean anything with regards to pedophiles, consent, etc. just making sure facts don’t get trampled. Let’s not rehash that here. Shoot, I wasn’t even involved in that thread. I’m just good at googling. However, skimming it did give me the vibe that **Mr Dibble** wasn’t … well let’s just say he wasn’t arguing Freudian psychosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/155 "2014-05-26T02:19:04Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Some of the examples I listed are still around today, and have you ever heard of Mondragon, and the Evergreen Cooperatives? > [@Wikipedia](#): > > Mondragon co-operatives are united by a humanist concept of business, a philosophy of participation and solidarity, and a shared business culture. The culture is rooted in a shared mission and a number of principles, corporate values and business policies. > > Over the years, these links have been embodied in a series of operating rules approved on a majority basis by the Co-operative Congresses, which regulate the activity of the Governing Bodies of the Corporation (Standing Committee, General Council), the Grassroots Co-operatives and the Divisions they belong to, from the organisational, institutional and economic points of view as well as in terms of assets. Doesn’t sound particularly anarchist to me, just techno-hippies creating a company that seems to have worked. A company with managers who make up to nine times what the lowest-paid worker makes. Illinois’ minimum wage is $8.25/hr so the manager would make $74.25/hr or $154,440.00/year here. Not plutocrat wages, but not what I would expect in a worker’s paradise. The Evergreen Cooperatives’ startups were too heavily-subsidized by the Federal Government and the City of Cleveland to be within laughing distance of an anarchist. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/156 "2014-05-26T02:29:16Z")
The majority of women, for very good reasons, don’t self identify as feminists. If **OurLordPeace** intends to give each of them a piece of his mind, he’s going to be very busy indeed. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/157 "2014-05-26T02:37:43Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > I would rather not get into that, sorry. I am pretty curious, too. Was it something like BobbysGirl, considering you mentioned that she would actually be someone 's property without feminism? ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/158 "2014-05-26T03:04:07Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > So you have the enclave of people, and one of them is doing nothing and leeching off everyone else. So you all get together and agree to boot them out. Congrats, you just invented a government with a judicial system! A really arbitrary judicial system with nobody to review your actions, but a judicial system nonetheless. > > Later, you find another group of people, and agree to trade your turnips for their carrots, because you’re kind of sick of turnips. It turns out that all these rapists, murderers, thieves, and general layabouts you’ve exiled have become highwaymen. They’re raiding your caravans, but none of your enclaves can really deal with them. > > So you and a bunch of enclaves get together to patrol the area and take out the highwaymen… > > Anarchy is a completely unstable form of government, even assuming the worst doesn’t happen and a conniving power hungry figure doesn’t seize power in a vacuum (which is likely in a lot of places), things **don’t work** unless people start making contracts, and contracts don’t work as well when you don’t have some group of people to enforce those contracts. > > None of this is to say that all government is equal, or there aren’t specifics cases even now where power should be more localized, but anarchy is always going to trend towards government sooner or later. And that’s in a fake world where no government ever existed. This isn’t even taking into account the mutually assured destruction scenario in the real world where, e.g., dissolving the US is just going to cause other superpowers to gobble us up. Except that’s not what happened, in, say, Anarchist Catalonia. The Fascists had access to aid from Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy that eventually surpassed anything the Republic was getting. Also, the Soviet government, working through the Spanish Communist Party, worked to try and prevent any kind of social revolution that they couldn’t control, though this was little understood at the time. Thanks to Orwell, word got out eventually. “First beat Franco, then we’ll see about revolution” was Moscow’s line, echoed by the Communists and right-Socialists. “The War and the Revolution are Inseparable” was the line of the Anarchists, left-Socialists, and the POUM. [See, power and privilege are aghast at workers tossing out the capitalists and bureaucrats](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8KpRb38Uks). It’s not a case of some commune collapsing thanks to “human nature.” > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > So anyway, since you started this thread decrying “misogyny and sexism on twitter” please tell us what was the woman’s username that struck you as so sexist you had to react in such a way. > > You’re the one that brought it up and you’re the one who started this thread. > > I’m not trying to trap you, but without knowing what her username was it’s difficult to render an informed opinion re your actions. Yes, you’re right, but I don’t want to do it, largely to protect the privacy of all involved. Also, I frankly went off half-cocked, and thus things didn’t go well. It was a mistake. I get it. > [@Giraffe](#): > > So they work, they’re just helpless in the face of opposition? That sounds like a recipe for social success! > > I am seeing a pattern emerge, though. You seem drawn to idealistic positions that have no chance of actually improving anyone else’s lives, but whose primary purpose is to provide you with the opportunity to feel righteous and moral. Lucky for you, other people have done and continue to do the hard work to make sure useless twits like you have the luxury and security of a stable society, thus freeing you up to jerk off to your own useless ideals without getting robbed and murdered by the nearest warlord or militia member. No, they have often been crushed in the face of things like the Red Army, pouring into the Ukraine once they (the Reds) had beaten most of the Whites. But there is no USSR anymore. Besides, the Zapatistas endure, and the Argentine recuperated enterprises thrive. Anarchism has had a huge role in improving people’s lives. Anarchists were a major element of the US labor movement. They have played roles in almost every major anti-war movement in the modern era. They’re unwilling to let hate groups take the streets unopposed. They were part of the Old Left, the New Left, and everything since. They act to keep the rest of the Left honest, by trying to prevent the social movements from emulating the authoritarianism they fight against. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Are you familiar with the term “power vacuum”? Yep, which is why it’s important to spread and demonstrate such positive ideals as the ones I’ve described, so that the vacuum, should it emerge, can be filled with something other than the forces of reaction. It doesn’t happen overnight. When people organize, there are no limits to what can be achieved. > [@dropzone](#): > > Doesn’t sound particularly anarchist to me, just techno-hippies creating a company that seems to have worked. A company with managers who make up to nine times what the lowest-paid worker makes. Illinois’ minimum wage is $8.25/hr so the manager would make $74.25/hr or $154,440.00/year here. Not plutocrat wages, but not what I would expect in a worker’s paradise. > > The Evergreen Cooperatives’ startups were too heavily-subsidized by the Federal Government and the City of Cleveland to be within laughing distance of an anarchist. That’s true, but they are both examples of workers’ self-management and/or workers’ ownership. You know, in case anarchism is a bridge too far. > [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > The majority of women, for very good reasons, don’t self identify as feminists. If **OurLordPeace** intends to give each of them a piece of his mind, he’s going to be very busy indeed. Yes, and yet feminist achievements are taken for granted, and feminist ideals are hardly taboo. It’s a bit like the polling differences between the “Affordable Care Act” and “Obamacare.” As I mentioned before, there is an unfortunately huge mass of negative cultural messaging around the term feminism. Some years ago I was seated at the listening station at a new/used CD shop. A punk-rock boy sat next to me, and he had on one of those patch-covered denim vests. One of his patches read “this is what a feminist looks like.” I can’t remember if it had the anarcha-feminist symbol (the Venus symbol together with a fist) or not, but in any case, I thought that was awesome. We need more of that sort of thing. We need more of John Legend saying that all men should be feminists. Indeed, we don’t need me seeking out monsters to destroy via Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/159 "2014-05-26T03:10:18Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Yes, you’re right, but I don’t want to do it, largely to protect the privacy of all involved. Also, I frankly went off half-cocked, and thus things didn’t go well. It was a mistake. I get it. So you can’t even describe the type of name? > [@](#): > > Some years ago I was seated at the listening station at a new/used CD shop. A punk-rock boy sat next to me, and he had on one of those patch-covered denim vests. One of his patches read “this is what a feminist looks like.” I can’t remember if it had the anarcha-feminist symbol (the Venus symbol together with a fist) or not, but in any case, I thought that was awesome. We need more of that sort of thing. We need more of John Legend saying that all men should be feminists. Indeed, we don’t need me seeking out monsters to destroy via Twitter. No, we don’t need more self-righteous idiots wearing slogans that are pretty much meaningless. In my personal experience, most guys who wear those kinds of buttons and t-shirts are usually trying to impress chicks in order to get laid. But then, I’m just a cynical bitch. ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978/160 "2014-05-26T03:15:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So you can’t even describe the type of name? Oh, sure, it was a blatantly counter-feminist slogan. It wasn’t an ironic joke, either. > [@](#): > > No, we don’t need more self-righteous idiots wearing slogans that are pretty much meaningless. In my personal experience, most guys who wear those kinds of buttons and t-shirts are usually trying to impress chicks in order to get laid. But then, I’m just a cynical bitch. Yes, you are being cynical. Is there often a hope that one’s revolutionary bona fides will act as aphrodisiacs? Sure. Does that imply a gross/comprehensive lack of sincerity? Not at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-misogyny-sexism-on-twitter/688978.md?page=9)