# I Pit Mr\_Hoogly **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900 "2021-07-20T15:58:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/182 "2021-12-28T14:09:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But apparently some folks would prefer that the pandemic never end. I don’t know why you want that, but you clearly do. The restrictions are your fault, @Mr_Hoogly . You, personally, and the people like you. This is the most ironic part. He says in a previous post he had two friends and a family member who died due to treatment being halted because of “covid rules.” Which would only make sense if healthcare services were overrun due to new covid cases and not enough resources to go around. He can’t even see how his own attitudes regarding vaccines and preventive measures are contributing to the loss of his own loved ones. I can’t even be angry. It’s just sad. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/183 "2021-12-28T14:21:31Z")
Whenever some idiot spouts the 99% line, I like to note that 99% of the men who get the type of cancer I had also survive. Yet, for some reason, no one downplays cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/184 "2021-12-28T14:32:16Z")
I have a relative-in-law who got Covid. She didn’t pass away, she didn’t have to go to the hospital. It’s true that it doesn’t kill most people and it’s not even life-threatening to most people. She has no sense of taste or smell. She may never get those back. There are people who treat Covid like it’s the flu; it’s unpleasant and in extreme cases it can be dangerous but you get over it and it’s a distant memory. But it’s closer to Polio; survivors might suffer long-term, possibly permanent effects that affect their quality of life. This can also include fatigue, neurological problems, respiratory issues, chronic headaches, even multiple organ problems. We don’t know how long those things can last since the disease has only been around for a couple of years but it’s yet another reason we need to treat it seriously. It’s not just a matter of whether it will kill you or not. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/185 "2021-12-28T14:39:34Z")
So, some people want the whole thing to end - by which they mean we just throw our hands up and just accept what comes. But also don’t want to deal with any of the consequences personally, i.e. not just accept what comes. Well, I’d like a pink unicorn and to be able to eat 2 large pizzas a day without gaining weight and I’m just going to act like a stupid asshole and complain on the internet about it for months on end until it happens! > [@Atamasama](#): > > But it’s closer to Polio; survivors might suffer long-term, possibly permanent effects that affect their quality of life. The fatality rates are more similar to polio than the flu as well. Generally very low in children and much worse in adults, especially older ones. And yeah, I guess we should have just learned to deal with the very small number of cases that resulted in long term and life altering effects even among survivors. Not like we needed to do a mass vaccination campaign and enact restrictions around it. The rest of us need to go out to dinner! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/186 "2021-12-28T19:52:06Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > I don’t know anyone has died from it, I do. My cousin, like you, did not believe in it. He did not get vaccinated, he did not mask up, he did not play it safe like he was told to do. He got infected, brought it to his father, my uncle. This was just a month ago. Both are now dead from Covid 19. And being stupid. Like you. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/187 "2021-12-29T00:40:05Z")
A little happiness for all those who wish the Hooglies of the world to shut up and go away. The (pauses to hawk and spit it up) Hoogly (expectorates) drew a warning for dangerous COVID misinformation/scare tactics in the “Help me respond to Anti-Vax Guy I know” from the esteemed **Puzzlegal**. And with cause, as it was unsupported fear-mongering with zero support in the QZ. With the usual mention that if he continues on this pattern (he had been noted on it before) he’s asking for a forum/topic ban. Soon may come that day. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/188 "2021-12-29T03:05:47Z")
Mr. Hoogly may care to read this tweet, which provides some front-line statistics from a Mississippi doctor that puts the lie to the “99.8% survivable” nonsense. (Or he may not, given his general hoogliness, but I’ll give 'em one chance, at least.) > ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/189 "2021-12-29T05:28:38Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Mr. Hoogly may care to read this tweet, which provides some front-line statistics from a Mississippi doctor that puts the lie to the “99.8% survivable” nonsense. (Or he may not, given his general hoogliness, but I’ll give 'em one chance, at least.) Me thinks ol’ Hoogles is no spring chicken and people his age has a much higher case fatality rate than 2.2%. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/190 "2021-12-29T07:56:47Z")
I’ve had two friends - one I’ve known for over 30 years - die from it. And my brother announced today that he’s been running a fever for the last few days. He went to an Urgent Care and took a test, but the results aren’t in yet. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/191 "2021-12-29T09:54:09Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > Some examples of ‘the science’ > > You have to wear a mask in a shop, but not in a pub or nightclub, covid is kiilled by alcohol now is it? > > ‘the rule of six’ for meeting a complete nonsense and arbitrary number. > > Here’s the best one, we’ve just had Christmas, so almost everybody has mixed together the last few days, to inevitably lockdown in January…talk about stupid. Yes, let’s talk about stupid. “Stupid” is thinking that government policy is the same thing as “science”. Government policy, even when produced by honest and competent people, will always reflect a number of conflicting priorities - the scientific consensus (which evolves as the situation changes and new data is known), economic factors (the impact on businesses and individuals), socio-political factors (how the policies will be received by the public, how they are likely to react at the next election, and how the other politicians whose support you require are likely to make the same calculation) and so forth. And government policy is so rarely created by honest and competent people these days. I realize that’s a lot of big words to make a point you’ve demonstrated you don’t have the mental capacity to understand, but perhaps you could find a ten-year-old to explain it to you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/192 "2021-12-29T09:56:00Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > Whenever some idiot spouts the 99% line, I like to note that 99% of the men who get the type of cancer I had also survive. Yet, for some reason, no one downplays cancer. Saw someone recently point out that if we applied the COVID survival rate to air safety, there would be around 150 plane crashes a day in America alone. But the vast majority wouldn’t crash, so what are we so worried about? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/193 "2021-12-29T10:44:41Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, let’s talk about stupid. “Stupid” is thinking that government policy is the same thing as “science”. And then there’s the whole, “The rules keep changing I’m sO cOnFuSeD!” crowd. As if the rules should be the exact same all the time, regardless of how the situation changes from week to week. It’s like someone getting confused about, “Why could I drive at 100km/hr yesterday, but suddenly today everyone insists I should only drive 40km/hr?!?!”, and you keep telling him, “Well, today there’s a blizzard, and yesterday there wasn’t”, but he just keeps whining about his freedumb to drive whatever speed he wants. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/194 "2021-12-29T12:30:02Z")
I think my favorite bit of idiocy is how the pittee says that the chance of dying is only 99%, but he’s worried about the side effects of the vaccine. The chance of serious side effects from the vaccine is like, what, 0.00001%? Versus the chance of dying of 1%? What a maroon. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/195 "2021-12-29T12:35:00Z")
Yes, it’s a level of risk assessment that equates to “I’m afraid that that chihuahua might bite me, therefore I’m going to hide from it in this pit of rabid wolverines”. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/196 "2021-12-29T13:40:37Z")
My favorite bit of idiocy is they usually use the entire population of the earth as the denominator for their fatality statistics rather than number of contracted cases. As far as we know, you can’t get above 99% without doing some stupid shit like that. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/197 "2021-12-29T13:44:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, it’s a level of risk assessment that equates to “I’m afraid that that chihuahua might bite me, therefore I’m going to hide from it in this pit of rabid wolverines”. - Why do you think that pit is full? They’re hiding from the chihuahua. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/198 "2021-12-29T14:19:21Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > My favorite bit of idiocy is they usually use the entire population of the earth as the denominator for their fatality statistics rather than number of contracted cases. It’s not even the number of contracted cases because that includes people who still have it who may or may not recover. Instead, it’s: fatalities / (fatalities + recovered). Which gives you an even higher fatality rate. And still doesn’t measure those who survive but with long-term health effects. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/199 "2021-12-29T17:08:30Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve had two friends - one I’ve known for over 30 years - die from it. > > And my brother announced today that he’s been running a fever for the last few days. He went to an Urgent Care and took a test, but the results aren’t in yet. Shitty. Condolences. Curious: were your friends and brother poked and (usually) masked? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/200 "2021-12-29T18:10:09Z")
My brother isn’t. He’s not an anti-vaxxer or anything; he just never got around to it. One of them died towards the beginning of the pandemic, before the vaccines were available. As far as the other one is concerned, I’m not sure if he was vaccinated or not. He’s one of those people who could go either way and neither would surprise you. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/201 "2021-12-30T13:20:28Z")
And my brother has, in fact, tested positive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900.md?page=11)