# I Pit Mr\_Hoogly **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900 "2021-07-20T15:58:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/202 "2021-12-30T16:48:57Z")
Here’s hoping it’s a mild case. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/203 "2021-12-30T16:54:51Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Here’s hoping it’s a mild case My son-in-law is a physician. He told me the breakthrough cases he is seeing have been like bad colds, compared to last year when people were collapsing in the ER due to hypoxia. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/204 "2021-12-30T17:16:25Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > He told me the breakthrough cases he is seeing have been like bad colds, compared to last year when people were collapsing in the ER due to hypoxia. But it wouldn’t be a breakthrough if a person isn’t vaccinated. (Yet another reason why getting the shot is critical.) ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/205 "2021-12-30T17:20:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > wouldn’t be a breakthrough if a person isn’t vaccinated. Ahh, my bad. I just assume every adult is vaccinated. Indeed, where my son-in-law works they treat unvaccinated adults with respiratory issues with a different protocol compared to vaccinated adults (to the dismay of some). ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/206 "2021-12-30T17:23:20Z")
More for a year ago, I think. The vaccines were just rolling out then and primarily for older folks. There weren’t many breakthrough cases because there weren’t many vaccinated people yet. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/207 "2021-12-30T17:35:23Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Ahh, my bad. I just assume every adult is vaccinated. Indeed, where my son-in-law works they treat unvaccinated adults with respiratory issues with a different protocol compared to vaccinated adults (to the dismay of some). - Does it involve sliding flounder and flapjacks under the locked door? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/208 "2021-12-30T18:01:12Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Indeed, where my son-in-law works they treat unvaccinated adults with respiratory issues with a different protocol compared to vaccinated adults I would hope the protocol is to offer them thoughts and prayers and a quick kick out the door to make room for patients who are not contemptuous towards modern medical care. Sadly, though, I doubt it. Seriously, if you don’t trust vaccines that’s fine. Stupid but fine. But when you get COVID, suddenly you _want_ trained medical personnel to help you out. If you won’t get the vaccine, just stay home and inject horse dewormer into your testicles, or whatever is the most current accepted standard of care for them. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/209 "2021-12-30T18:03:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > There are people who treat Covid like it’s the flu; it’s unpleasant and in extreme cases it can be dangerous but you get over it and it’s a distant memory. And that’s beside forgetting that 100 years ago there was a form of the flu that slew 40 million out of an Earth population one quarter what it is now. And that nowadays the flu is mostly just a passing inconvenience for the younger and healthier because we’ve promoted vaccination of the vulnerable, and containment measures when a particularly bad outbreak arises. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/210 "2021-12-30T18:05:01Z")
Good thoughts to him, and to you and your our family. Hoping he feels better soon. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/211 "2021-12-30T20:15:44Z")
Here’s my favorite response to the “it’s not a big deal, 99% of patients survive” idiocy. Suppose that instead of infecting people, this new virus affected airplanes. Maybe it eats jet fuel, maybe it causes metal fatigue — but there’s a new virus that affects airplanes. This virus causes about 1 plane in 100 to fall out of sky and crash. The rough figure I found for air travel indicates that there are about 100,000 flights a day. This would translate to 1000 plane crashes daily because of the virus. Would you think this virus is no big deal because it only affects 1 in 100 airplanes? Would you still travel by air? Would you accuse people that altered their travel plans of “living in fear”? If the government shut down air travel, would you think it was an infringement of your right to travel? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/212 "2021-12-30T20:27:02Z")
Another useful comparison - the death rate of Allied combatants on D-Day itself (6/6/44) was around 3% - so roughly speaking Covid is 3 times safer than storming a beachhead. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/213 "2021-12-31T03:18:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@kayaker](#): > > > > He told me the breakthrough cases he is seeing have been like bad colds, compared to last year when people were collapsing in the ER due to hypoxia. > > But it wouldn’t be a breakthrough if a person isn’t vaccinated. (Yet another reason why getting the shot is critical.) Under the circumstances, my daughter and her roommate in Brooklyn both qualify as breakthrough cases, then. They’re both two-dose vaccinated, although they haven’t been able to acquire boosters yet. Kayla started feeling symptomatic two days ago, and today was able to take a walk around the park, despite having lost her senses of smell and taste last night (her roomie recovered both senses today). She couldn’t have managed that yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/214 "2021-12-31T03:19:45Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I just assume every adult is vaccinated. They are. Judging by their behavior, the defiantly unvvaxed qualify as toddlers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/215 "2021-12-31T03:31:54Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Another useful comparison - the death rate of Allied combatants on D-Day itself (6/6/44) was around 3% - so roughly speaking Covid is 3 times safer than storming a beachhead. One-third as dangerous, that is. Beachhead storming is 97% safe. 3 times 97% safe is 291% safe, which is gibberish. (I’m not going to let something as trivial as a potential extinction event interfere with my ongoing crusade to persuade the English-speaking world to accept that IF language references arithmetic, then it MUST conform to the rules of arithmetic.) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/216 "2021-12-31T12:30:40Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/217 "2021-12-31T13:59:37Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Beachhead storming is 97% safe. 3 times 97% safe is 291% safe, which is gibberish. Are you really trying to use “That’s gibberish!” in an argument against anti-vaxxers? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900/218 "2021-12-31T16:20:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > (I’m not going to let something as trivial as a potential extinction event interfere with my ongoing crusade to persuade the English-speaking world to accept that IF language references arithmetic, then it MUST conform to the rules of arithmetic.) To quote well-known and highly-respected law enforcement officer and Oxford-educated psychologist, Fox Mulder: “No one likes a math geek, Scully.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-mr-hoogly/946900.md?page=10)