# I pit Ms. Tara Reade for putting our country through this **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020 "2020-05-02T14:46:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/41 "2020-05-02T23:03:06Z")
Where were you paragons of social justice when over 20 women accused Trump of sexual misconduct? Nowhere. Lying, ass-licking trash. And Mort Sahl is funny as brain cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/42 "2020-05-02T23:11:13Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > For fuck’s sake, YOU have nothing you dumb shit! [How about two Tweets calling Reade a fraud?](https://twitter.com/gritsncollards/status/1252028185308549120) Or is her being a crook okay with you? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/43 "2020-05-02T23:12:54Z")
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**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/44 "2020-05-02T23:43:09Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > He must be feeling hard done by. He put his hand on some women’s lower rear regions while posing for photographs, and he’s gone. Biden grabs someone by the pussy and everyone’s fawning all over him. > > Regarding the OP, I think the accusation is most likely true, and I can’t condemn someone outing a powerful rapist, even if it helps Donald Trump. > > The accusation seems most likely to be true because it hasn’t changed over time, contrary to claims elsewhere in this thread. She has several witnesses proving that she told the same story at the time. She has make her story public piecemeal, but hasn’t changed any part of it. Blasey Ford couldn’t claim either of those things. Trump who has admitted ON CAMERA that he grabs girls by the pussy? I’m not saying two wrongs make a right here, but Trump’s accusers run into the thirties and that is ignored by the Christian Right for some odd reason. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/45 "2020-05-02T23:51:51Z")
I do not believe her. But just to be fair, 'cause that’s the kind of guy I am, I’ll not believe one of trump’s accusers either. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/46 "2020-05-03T00:06:52Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > He must be feeling hard done by. He put his hand on some women’s lower rear regions while posing for photographs, and he’s gone. Biden grabs someone by the pussy and everyone’s fawning all over him. > > Regarding the OP, I think the accusation is most likely true, and I can’t condemn someone outing a powerful rapist, even if it helps Donald Trump. > > The accusation seems most likely to be true because it hasn’t changed over time, contrary to claims elsewhere in this thread. She has several witnesses proving that she told the same story at the time. **She has make her story public piecemeal, but hasn’t changed any part of it.** Blasey Ford couldn’t claim either of those things. Lolwut? She can’t even decide why she left DC. First it was because she hated American imperialism and loved Russia. Then it was because she resigned after the incident. Most recently, it’s because Biden fired her and blackballed her. Her own story, along with that of her brother, changed dramatically. Hell, she can’t even decide whether or not she filed a complaint or what’s in it. At first there was, and it would prove everything true. And then there wasn’t. And then it didn’t mention anything like harassment or assault. And now the people directly quoting her are lying. Biden has called for an investigation. I’d like to see the results of that before saying it’s “most likely true”, because there are enough holes to drive a semi through. Hell, maybe Biden DID do it (as I seriously considered when the allegation was first made). If that’s shown the case, in even the smallest way, my disappointment will be immeasurable. But don’t ask me to sit here and listen to the story change over and over and tell me it’s staying the same. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/47 "2020-05-03T00:41:27Z")
[Yeah, it isn’t like the GOP is known for making false accusations against political opponents or anything!](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/26/robert-mueller-hoax-how-jacob-wohl-created-sexual-harassment-plot/2993799002/) That certainly isn’t something we should take into consideration! [And they definitely don’t have a go-to guy for that kind of thing, who is known to have done it multiple times!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl) I’m sure [del]the GOP[/del] Tara Reade is making these accusations in good faith, and isn’t trying to time it to coincide with the election nobody is even thinking about this early in the year! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/48 "2020-05-03T01:22:36Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Tara Reade isn’t putting the country through this. Rotten people in politics and the media are putting us through this. Largely true. Fox News et al are gleefully flogging the same sort of low-rent evidence (and worse) that they complained about during the Kavanaugh mess, while there’s also breathtaking hypocrisy on the Dem/liberal side. The current prize goes to the N.Y. Times, which just editorialized thusly: _“His campaign, and his party, have a duty to assure the public that the accusations are being taken seriously. The Democratic National Committee should move to investigate the matter swiftly and thoroughly, with the full cooperation of the Biden campaign…Any inventory (of Biden’s files) should be strictly limited to information about Ms. Reade and conducted by an unbiased, apolitical panel, put together by the D.N.C. and chosen to foster as much trust in its findings as possible.”_ An “unbiased, apolitical panel” _ **under the auspices of the D.N.C?** _ Might as well appoint Wile E. Coyote as director of the Roadrunner Civil Rights Commission. \*I’m highly skeptical of Reade’s claims, particularly since they got markedly amplified after her initial revelations got limited attention. ---
**Author:** ![Warm\_blood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Warm\_blood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Warm_blood)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/49 "2020-05-03T05:41:24Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Tara Reade isn’t putting the country through this. Rotten people in politics and the media are putting us through this. This. Can we also pit those who insist on believing her not because they can genuinely argue she’s credible, but out of some infantile mentality of tit-for-tat (“b-but you believed Kavanaugh’s accuser!!!”) or a blind adherence to a predictably problematic slogan for an online social movement that effectively encourages you to follow feelings instead of facts? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/50 "2020-05-03T06:38:13Z")
The Obama team vetted Biden with a fine-toothed comb in 2008 and found _nothing_ questionable in his background and certainly nothing like this. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/51 "2020-05-03T07:49:21Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Did any of Kavanaugh’s accusers [praise him for helping stop sexual assault](https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460)? Reading through this, she is utterly consistent in her inconsistencies: She was extremely anti-Putin, and then extremely pro-Putin, then anti-Putin again. She apparently “wrote” something in Russian which reads like it was written by a man. She drove to Washington, D.C., except when she flew there. She claims Biden didn’t know she quit working for him except when she claims he fired her… This person is _slimy_. She exudes an aura of dishonesty and brokenness. [She’s also been accused of stealing from a non-profit](https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/biden-accuser-tara-reade-allegedly-stole-from-a-non-profit-organization-e276cac68a2b): > [@](#): > > Now we’ve obtained new information concerning Tara Reade’s character, from a non-profit organization based in Watsonville, California, called Pregnant Mare Rescue (PMR). Lynn Hummer, Founder/President of the highly-rated horse sanctuary that’s committed to rescuing pregnant mares and orphan foals from abuse, tells us that Tara Reade (McCabe) volunteered at her rescue for a couple of years (from 2014–2016). During this time, Hummer alleges that Reade “stole from her nonprofit, lied, and created stories to obtain sympathy and money.” It’s a pattern: She lies for profit. She lies because she apparently can’t bother to keep a story straight. She simply lies. Nothing inclines me to believe her. Oh, and: “Believe victims” means believing them long enough to investigate their accusations. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or a troll. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/52 "2020-05-03T11:47:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So what if we’re being hypocritical? It’s republicans, not democrats, who invented the family values litmus tests anyway; it was the ‘christian values’ republicans, and democrats just like to point out _their_ hypocrisy. You think this is a “family values”/right-wing issue as opposed to a “workplace harassment”/feminist issue? OK, then. In any case, beating the GOP is too important to go into this election with a candidate that’s been kneecapped. Biden grabs women in public, a lot. He’s also known for lying, a lot. It’s easy to imagine that this actually happened, & hard for him to credibly deny. If the GOP were a bunch of saints, losing to them with Biden wouldn’t be a big deal But they’re not, so he really has to go. Yes, even if Tara Reade is a liar from Hell. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/53 "2020-05-03T14:34:59Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > **National Archives Refute Biden’s Statement** > [As Biden fends off sexual assault charge, National Archives says it has no relevant records](https://www.yahoo.com/news/as-biden-fends-off-sexassault-charge-national-archives-says-it-has-no-relevant-records-201631973.html) > > The Biden Bros need to stop sending Tara Reade death threats. Can’t Biden control them? They are such nasty people, especially on Twitter. > > Now they wanna fire Chris Hayes for dedicating an entire 2 minutes on her! The article says nothing about “Bros” or death threats. Nobody’s pointing this out so I guess I’ll have to. Here’s another Turd Reich asshole lying, because that article doesn’t come close to doing what Trumpie here claims. In fact, they refute _Reade_, because they found no complaint. That’s not “refuting” Biden’s claim, it’s supporting it. In any event, Biden called for a full examination of all records. IF Reade filed her complaint, this would have been about the time of the Packwood scandal, which was being investigated by the Ethics Committee. Such a complaint would have been a huge deal for Republicans, an ability to attack Dems. And who was the head of the Ethics Committee? Mitch McConnell. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/54 "2020-05-03T16:11:55Z")
Former GOP Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell and her niece just [made some story up](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/eva-murry-biden-tara-reade) about how Biden was leering at her (then 14 years old) niece and commenting on her breasts at the 2008 Gridiron dinner. Lots of references in the original story about how Murry told a bunch of people at the time and everyone knew it happened. Turns out that [Biden wasn’t even at](https://imgur.com/a/EK69Iw5) the 2008 Gridiron dinner, instead being at home recovering from sinus surgery and having sent an aide and a pre-recorded video instead. (Sasha Pezenik [took down](https://twitter.com/SashaPezenik/status/1256960950034366466) the original Tweet chain after it was proved to be a false allegation) This is apparently the new normal: fake harassment and assault charges against Biden until they can make something stick. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/55 "2020-05-03T17:13:59Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Reading through this, she is utterly consistent in her inconsistencies: She was extremely anti-Putin, and then extremely pro-Putin, then anti-Putin again. She apparently “wrote” something in Russian which reads like it was written by a man. She drove to Washington, D.C., except when she flew there. She claims Biden didn’t know she quit working for him except when she claims he fired her… This person is _slimy_. She exudes an aura of dishonesty and brokenness. > > [She’s also been accused of stealing from a non-profit](https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/biden-accuser-tara-reade-allegedly-stole-from-a-non-profit-organization-e276cac68a2b):It’s a pattern: She lies for profit. She lies because she apparently can’t bother to keep a story straight. She simply lies. Nothing inclines me to believe her. > > Oh, and: “Believe victims” means believing them long enough to investigate their accusations. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or a troll. What a manipulative lying piece of work Reade is showing herself to be. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/56 "2020-05-03T18:05:39Z")
I support #metoo but everything about this makes me suspicious. The GOP is above nothing; they’d let California sink into the sea to hold on to power. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/57 "2020-05-03T18:59:30Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The GOP is above nothing; they’d let California sink into the sea to hold on to power. Feature, not a bug. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/58 "2020-05-03T19:36:22Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > You think this is a “family values”/right-wing issue as opposed to a “workplace harassment”/feminist issue? OK, then. > > In any case, beating the GOP is too important to go into this election with a candidate that’s been kneecapped. Biden grabs women in public, a lot. He’s also known for lying, a lot. It’s easy to imagine that this actually happened, & hard for him to credibly deny. If the GOP were a bunch of saints, losing to them with Biden wouldn’t be a big deal But they’re not, so he really has to go. > > Yes, even if Tara Reade is a liar from Hell. I agree with you here, and I’d take it one step further. It’s not just Biden, really. It’s the boomers in general. Let’s face it: As far as this generation of Democrat politics goes, the boomers’ time has come and the boomers’ time has gone. Biden? Al Gore? Bill and Hillary? Franken? Do any of these guys _really_ speak for us, anymore? Did they ever, really? Oh, we’ll hold our noses and vote. We’ll write their little . . . quirks . . . off to the times, to the nature of politics, to momentary lapses of judgement, and we’ll even throw the women who accuse them under the bus. All for the greater good, right? But the greater good is gone for good as far as these guys are concerned. I mean, come on, Al Franken? This guy was involved in Saturday Night Live, for crying out loud! Have you read any of the books dishing the dirt about the kind of shit that went on behind the scenes at Saturday Night Live? And yet, people still have the nerve to look surprised when it turns out he’s less than enlightened when it comes to women? The mistake wasn’t in forcing him to resign from the Senate. The mistake was in thinking that this guy represented some sort of progress to begin with. If the boomers want to run for office, let them run as Republicans. Hey, it worked for Trump, right? Personally, I think Hillary Clinton was three-quarters of the way there anyway between attacking Obama, voting for the Iraq War and against gay marriage, and putting up with Bill sexually harassing interns and staffers (but they were totally begging for it, right folks?), so it’s not like it’s that much of a stretch. Otherwise, let _them_ be staffers so they can rediscover the joys of being some ambitious sociopath’s slave. They’re finished as our voice. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/59 "2020-05-03T21:30:03Z")
Beyond potentially depressing the enthusiasm for Biden, Tara Reade’s increasingly dubious allegations may be the end of #metoo. If “Every woman deserves to be heard” is taken to such an extreme that it torpedoes the alternative to the worst president in American history, there will be no more women heard - at least not when it comes to politics. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/60 "2020-05-03T21:34:48Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > You think this is a “family values”/right-wing issue as opposed to a “workplace harassment”/feminist issue? OK, then. > > In any case, beating the GOP is too important to go into this election with a candidate that’s been kneecapped. Biden grabs women in public, a lot. He’s also known for lying, a lot. It’s easy to imagine that this actually happened, & hard for him to credibly deny. If the GOP were a bunch of saints, losing to them with Biden wouldn’t be a big deal But they’re not, so he really has to go. > > Yes, even if Tara Reade is a liar from Hell. Oh Biden has to go, eh? Who’s going to take his place - Justin Amash? Jill Stein? Vladimir Putin? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=4)