# I pit Ms. Tara Reade for putting our country through this **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020 "2020-05-02T14:46:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/81 "2020-05-04T00:38:15Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Not perfect is one thing. Total loser is quite another. Not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is one thing. Chucking “perfect” and “good” for total stupidity is quite another. > > Obama: Not perfect. > Hillary Clinton: Total fucking loser, who lost to Trump and pretty much cemented herself in the Politically Fucked Hall of Fame. I understand Walter Mondale is nervous about how close she is to knocking him off his pedestal, but hey, she has to win something sometime. Oh, and she’s about as likable as COVID-19. > > Obama: Not perfect. > Al Gore: Ummmm . . . well, then, glad I’m not _his_ massage therapist. > > Obama: Not perfect. > Joe Biden: Yeah . . . when your concept of white knight on a horse leading us to the promised land is Uncle Touchy–who’s also a bit of a crotchety old potty-mouth–maybe you _deserve_ to lose to Orange Clulius. > > It’s a bit late now, but try to keep this in mind while looking for your candidate to beat Pence after Trump wins reelection. And just remember: We had four years to pick a decent candidate to represent us, and it turned out to be _this_ guy? What exactly are you doing to turn this country around? 'Cause it ain’t working. Biden and Trump: The current candidates. Obama: Not a candidate, and can’t _be_ a candidate, even if all of you and your ilk clap your hands and wish upon stars. This “all of your candidates are equally bad” crap is just your way of proudly sitting on a fence. " Yeah . . . when your concept of white knight on a horse leading us to the promised land is Uncle Touchy–who’s also a bit of a crotchety old potty-mouth–maybe you _deserve_ to lose to Orange Clulius." is just another way of saying that if you don’t get exactly what you want the country can go straight to hell. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/82 "2020-05-04T00:42:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Even if she’s telling the truth, there’s a big difference between her and Christine Ford Blasey. Blasey spoke out when she did because she wanted to prevent a sexual predator from becoming one of the most powerful people in the country. But if she’s telling the truth, then Reade waited until it was guaranteed that a a sexual predator would become (or remain) the most powerful person in the country. If she had spoken out even a few months earlier, we could have gotten someone else. Moreover Ford made her complaint through the official channel and her name was outed because some journalist wrote that Senator Dianne Feinstein was sitting on the information. That’s why Ford publicly testified. People forget that, or willingly choose to omit that fact. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/83 "2020-05-04T00:43:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Biden and Trump: The current candidates. > Obama: Not a candidate, and can’t _be_ a candidate, even if all of you and your ilk clap your hands and wish upon stars. > This “all of your candidates are equally bad” crap is just your way of proudly sitting on a fence. " Yeah . . . when your concept of white knight on a horse leading us to the promised land is Uncle Touchy–who’s also a bit of a crotchety old potty-mouth–maybe you _deserve_ to lose to Orange Clulius." is just another way of saying that if you don’t get exactly what you want the country can go straight to hell. Err . . . no, I’m not sitting on the fence. I’ll vote Democrat (or maybe third party if the rape allegation turn out to be true), but I’ll show up. The whole “maybe you deserve to lose to Orange Clulius” isn’t my way of saying the country could go straight to hell. It’s more of my way of saying, “Wow, what kind of fucking idiots watch Hillary lose to Trump, spend four years dithering, and then come to the conclusion that really what we need is a clueless old white guy whose main qualification seems to be that he’s not _quite_ as rapey as the current president.” Different thing, altogether. I’m not slagging America. I’m slagging the assclowns in charge of getting things done. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/84 "2020-05-04T00:44:56Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The Obama team vetted Biden with a fine-toothed comb in 2008 and found _nothing_ questionable in his background and certainly nothing like this. And on top of that, Biden is pounding Chump in the national polls and in the battleground states that Clinton lost in 2016. Biden is the strongest candidate to beat Chump, but the sore losers who backed other candidates just cannot concede that. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/85 "2020-05-04T00:49:48Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > If the GOP were a bunch of saints, losing to them with Biden wouldn’t be a big deal But they’re not, so he really has to go. > > Yes, even if Tara Reade is a liar from Hell. Well that’s really stupid. Let me guess, put Bernie back on the ticket, even though he lost embarrassingly? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/86 "2020-05-04T00:51:31Z")
Trump’s only chance is for his minions to convince voters that their vote won’t make a real difference, because Republicans thrive when the voter count is low. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/87 "2020-05-04T00:56:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Trump’s only chance is for his minions to convince voters that their vote won’t make a real difference, because Republicans thrive when the voter count is low. Sigh . . . I remember listening to this shit four years ago today. The problem is that you just don’t learn. You don’t. That’s what I’ve been telling you for the past couple of hours. You get behind total zitbrains, and then when they lose, you blame the system, because it couldn’t possibly be _your_ fault could it? Well . . . yes, it can. Run a screwed-up candidate in a screwed-up campaign, and you’re going to lose, and all the caterwauling in the world isn’t going to change that. Play a weak game against the Republican machine, and you _will_ be crying real tears in the wee small hours after election night. Caterwauling. I really love that word. I think I made this post just to use that word once this year. Thanks, **Czarcasm**! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/88 "2020-05-04T00:58:38Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Sigh . . . I remember listening to this shit four years ago today. Perhaps if you and a lot of Bernie Bros had listened, you wouldn’t be in this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/89 "2020-05-04T01:00:43Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Biden voters are mentally deficient, psychopaths without a theory of mind, without the imagination to understand why anyone could ever disagree with you. People who disagree are assumed to just be “evil.”. But you will be one of those mentally deficient psychopaths without a theory of mind come this November, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/90 "2020-05-04T01:01:18Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Sigh . . . I remember listening to this shit four years ago today. It was as true before as it is now. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/91 "2020-05-04T01:46:44Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > And on top of that, Biden is pounding Chump in the national polls and in the battleground states that Clinton lost in 2016. Biden is the strongest candidate to beat Chump, but the sore losers who backed other candidates just cannot concede that. Exactly. Biden is leading in the polls by a very healthy margin. He appeals to key groups of voters, and ignoring his base because you’d prefer someone else is putting your head in the sand. Why not focus on your preferred VP? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/92 "2020-05-04T02:14:35Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Sigh . . . I remember listening to this shit four years ago today. > > The problem is that you just don’t learn. You don’t. That’s what I’ve been telling you for the past couple of hours. You get behind total zitbrains, and then when they lose, you blame the system, because it couldn’t possibly be _your_ fault could it? > > Well . . . yes, it can. Run a screwed-up candidate in a screwed-up campaign, and you’re going to lose, and all the caterwauling in the world isn’t going to change that. Play a weak game against the Republican machine, and you _will_ be crying real tears in the wee small hours after election night. > > Caterwauling. I really love that word. I think I made this post just to use that word once this year. Thanks, **Czarcasm**! 🙂 [Get help.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming) There is life after the cult. With hard work, sanity and reason can be restored. God bless and godspeed. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/93 "2020-05-04T02:29:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Even if she’s telling the truth, there’s a big difference between her and Christine Ford Blasey. Blasey spoke out when she did because she wanted to prevent a sexual predator from becoming one of the most powerful people in the country. But if she’s telling the truth, then Reade waited until it was guaranteed that a a sexual predator would become (or remain) the most powerful person in the country. If she had spoken out even a few months earlier, we could have gotten someone else. But technically, if Reade were deliberately timing things to snag Biden in the worst way, she would have accused Biden after he got the Democratic nomination - say, in September or October, when the DNC would have truly been hitched to Biden. The timing now still gives the DNC time to ditch Biden for some other candidate, although, yes, considerably harder now than two months ago. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/94 "2020-05-04T03:13:53Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > But you will be one of those mentally deficient psychopaths without a theory of mind come this November, correct? Hahahahahahaha no. I live in Missouri, a state the Democrats have not only abandoned, but curse at for not being coastal & urban, even as Claire McCaskill is brought on Morning Joe to represent…something? I assume that Biden not only won’t get our electoral votes, he won’t try. Also, I’ve been too deep inside the Democratic Party to believe its ideology of anti-ideology can ever save us. I’m most probably voting Green. ---
**Author:** ![Chef\_Troy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Chef\_Troy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chef_Troy)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/95 "2020-05-04T03:18:36Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Nope. Because I’d read it before, weeks ago. I wasn’t impressed. The article is full of dishonest bullshit, but instead of going through it paragraph by paragraph I’ll just point out that it was written by Ed Krassenstein. > > You might not be aware of this, but Ed Krassenstein is a notorious crook who was busted for fraud in 2016, and was banned from Twitter for operating fake accounts and buying followers. > > Krassenstein’s job is basically to figure out ways to monetise #ResistanceTwitter. I don’t trust him to portray Reade’s story fairly, because it’s not in his financial interest to do so. Bottom line, I just trust her much, much more than him. If you don’t like that article, what do you think of [this one](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/?fbclid=IwAR2iF1PVqzrjnhutaTRnO5DMOAhRR1c7I4S9U7m7SfUsnY0Vwo5gqC0Vlrw), written by a former career prosecutor? I found its points pretty compelling. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/96 "2020-05-04T04:03:02Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > And on top of that, Biden is pounding Chump in the national polls and in the battleground states that Clinton lost in 2016. Biden is the strongest candidate to beat Chump, but the sore losers who backed other candidates just cannot concede that. Wasn’t Hilary pounding The Donald in the polls, four years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/97 "2020-05-04T04:09:20Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Hahahahahahaha no. > > I live in Missouri, a state the Democrats have not only abandoned, but curse at for not being coastal & urban, even as Claire McCaskill is brought on Morning Joe to represent…something? I assume that Biden not only won’t get our electoral votes, he won’t try. > > Also, I’ve been too deep inside the Democratic Party to believe its ideology of anti-ideology can ever save us. > > I’m most probably voting Green. So the democratic party somehow actually disgusts you enough to vote third party and essentially for Trump. Oooooooo ideology of anti-ideology. Got it. As for this Tara floozy… ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/98 "2020-05-04T04:09:45Z")
I think we need a short period of kind of a reverse amnesty where we say, okay, is there ANYBODY who committed a sexual offense on you in the past, anytime in the past before MeToo made it less threatening\* and you didn’t report it because you knew you wouldn’t be believed/he (or she, I guess) was too much more powerful, s/he was too scary, but the situation has changed? Report this person NOW. Do not wait until they run or get elected. Because that’s my problem, not just with Reade but with Ford too. How can anyone possibly investigate something that was only ever going to be he said/she said at the time, and decades later expect to find the absolute truth? Press charges now, or shut up. \*If it did ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/99 "2020-05-04T05:17:29Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > Wasn’t Hilary pounding The Donald in the polls, four years ago? [Four years ago](https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/Maps/May02.html) we were still having primaries. Head to head matchups between Clinton and Trump around this time in 2016 were showing a bit of a nosedive in her support if you look at the graph that excludes electoral votes [that were statistically tied](https://electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/ec_graph-2016.html). ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/100 "2020-05-04T08:45:17Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I honestly wonder if any of the Biden voters _have_ a theory of mind. > > People are going to _believe_ he did it. People already thought he was a creep if not a pedophile. > > Biden was a weak candidate before these allegations. He was a known sex pest with no sense of other people’s boundaries before these allegations— > > Oh! That’s the connection. Biden is a gropey pest because he lacks a good sense of what other people want. Biden’s voters aren’t bothered by this because they (you) are the same way. And that’s why you can’t understand that this is a losing ticket. You don’t see other people as having opinions, except as they are irritating to you. > > Biden voters are mentally deficient, psychopaths without a theory of mind, without the imagination to understand why anyone could ever disagree with you. People who disagree are assumed to just be “evil.” > > Wow, I’m so sorry you’re dumb. That’s a whole lot of words to ignore: “It’s easy to imagine that this actually happened, & hard for him to credibly deny.” Followed by “Yes, even if Tara Reade is a liar from Hell.” But if you’re calling Biden voters mentally deficient psycopaths who are also gropey pests because they disagree with you… Again, cognitive dissonance much? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=6)