# I pit Ms. Tara Reade for putting our country through this **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020 "2020-05-02T14:46:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/121 "2020-05-04T23:19:08Z")
I’m guessing that, with the Secretary of the Senate saying today that she won’t release any personnel records, Reade wishes she waited another day or two before admitting that she never actually filled a report, just an intake form, and never mentioned sexual assault or harassment. We could have pretended that they’re the hidden smoking gun instead of knowing they’re a nothingburger. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/122 "2020-05-05T03:13:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > If I’m biased on these issues because of political leanings, it must be subconscious because I try hard to be objective. I found nothing about Christine Ford’s testimony to be “flimsy”. The words that come to mind include one that is often applied to survivors: courageous – knowing she would facing interrogation on national TV by a largely Republican and hostile committee – and words like “credible” and “articulate”. In contrast to Kavanaugh, who simply had a fucking meltdown, and that alone should have disqualified him as emotionally unfit for the job. And his claim that he and his family “prayed for” Christine Ford – fucking lying hypocrite. His bizarre financials - huge debts that mysteriously were paid off with sums he couldn’t possibly have had - were never explained. He certainly lied about those. Why should I believe him about the Ford allegations when he’d lied about his financials? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/123 "2020-05-05T12:19:46Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I do not believe her. But just to be fair, 'cause that’s the kind of guy I am, I’ll not believe one of trump’s accusers either. Ha! This. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/124 "2020-05-05T21:24:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Oooooooo ideology of anti-ideology. Got it. You don’t get it. I’ve tried to be active in the party. Lot of nice people, but the party stands for nothing. Too many endorsements are exchanged for nothing more than “Endorse me! Be my friend! I’ll endorse you!” The country needs better. It needs a real ideological alternative to Charles Koch, not a club packed with empty-headed money-chasers. ---
**Author:** ![BrickBat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@BrickBat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrickBat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/125 "2020-05-05T21:59:04Z")
This: > [@foolsguinea](#): > > The country needs better. It needs a real ideological alternative to Charles Koch, not a club packed with empty-headed money-chasers. Being merely “not Trump” doesn’t make anybody any less of an empty-headed money-chaser. “Not Trump” is fine. Great. But not as a cover for moving the party to the economic right. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/126 "2020-05-06T00:48:48Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Too many endorsements are exchanged for nothing more than “Endorse me! Be my friend! I’ll endorse you!” So that was the main takeaway from that whole experience, not discussion of policy or implementation or strategies for platforms for those policies? It was just one, big, endorseadelic, greenish _Magic Christian_ sewage pool for money, then? _Again_ - Got it. :dubious: (yeah further derailing. TR’s pretty-well been hashed out anyhoos) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/127 "2020-05-06T14:34:16Z")
I personally think #metoo, believe women, should only mean that we need to believe an accusation enough to give it a serious look. Do not dismiss it out of hand and do a reasonable investigation of the accusation. It does not mean just take the accusation as fact and lock the guy up forever. When the case is as old as this I am not sure how much investigation can be reasonably done. There are some bits that kind of support Reade (a bit of a reach but some) and there is stuff working against her accusation. Since this is for the president of the US have a good look. To be honest, since it is a candidate for president of the US, reporters will likely do a more thorough job of scouring the country for info than any law enforcement agency. See what comes of it. Frankly I think Reade’s case is not a good one as it stands now (and I am no fan of Biden). ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/128 "2020-05-06T16:16:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There are some bits that kind of support Reade (a bit of a reach but some) and there is stuff working against her accusation. The pit thread might be the wrong place for an attempt at a serious question, but I’ll give it a go anyway. I see the parts that “support” Reade as being the evidence that she informed confidantes at the time of the alleged assault. In particular, there is tape of her mother calling into Larry King Live. This is, IMHO (though I don’t consider myself super-well informed here), akin to the therapist data point in the Kavanaugh/Blasey-Ford case, which seemed quite persuasive. On the “working against her” side, we have the fact that her story keeps changing and that she seems to be openly leveling her accusations in order to maximize partisan advantage to Trump. Anything I missed? Why do you find the evidence of contemporary reporting to confidantes to be unpersuasive? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/129 "2020-05-06T16:24:56Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > In particular, there is tape of her mother calling into Larry King Live. As I understand it, the woman who called into Larry King Live identified neither herself or her daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/130 "2020-05-06T16:36:41Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > As I understand it, the woman who called into Larry King Live identified neither herself or her daughter. That is true as I understand as well, nor did she mention Biden, nor sexual assault. I’m not completely sure how well accepted it is that it is her mother. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/131 "2020-05-06T16:38:48Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think her actions will be directly responsible for the rollback of 100 years worth of civil rights and sexual discrimination legislation. She will get her “justice” but all of our daughters and granddaughters will grow up in a world where they are legal chattel. > > It will take less than 4 years to finish remaking the judiciary. You will lose your abortion rights by 2024, it will be considered murder. > > The laws against marital rape may be overturned. I would not be surprised if there isn’t new legislation requiring witnesses in order to even prosecute rape. The will start prosecuting homosexuality as a crime again. > > Gerrymandering will be so complete that there will not ever be another free election past 2024. > > I really do believe all this and more will happen if Trump gets re-elected, and way faster than you can imagine. > > She’s a selfish little bitch. I don’t find anything remotely credible about her story. I’m seriously starting to think that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party would rather spend the rest of their lives having one long butthurt pity party than actually being but in the position of being able to effect change. > > At least I’m old and I had the privilege of living out my working years during Golden Age of equal rights. It’s going to suck to watch it all fall away, but it’s the people that are going to have to live in the upcoming Dark Ages that they are enabling that will really suffer. :eek: Is there a Pessimists’ Club for people like you and me? > [@BlankSlate](#): > > One thing that’s for certain is the Trump ass-lickers and Bernie cultists are using her _hard_. As if trash like Shodan give a shit about Tara Reade. Hypocrisy? Shove it up your disgusting, rapist-loving asses. SDMB is my main source of news. Is it true that Bernie Brats are trying to nail up Biden with this? Shame! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/132 "2020-05-06T20:47:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > SDMB is my main source of news. Is it true that Bernie Brats are trying to nail up Biden with this? Shame! Oh yeah cuz of all the people who stand to gain by this it is the Bernie Brats! I mean, why do this during the primary? Better to wait till your guy is out of the race and supporting the other guy to really hit the other guy with a scandal! What a putz. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/133 "2020-05-06T22:03:42Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Oh yeah cuz of all the people who stand to gain by this it is the Bernie Brats! I mean, why do this during the primary? Better to wait till your guy is out of the race and supporting the other guy to really hit the other guy with a scandal! > > What a putz. :rolleyes: [Hope springs eternal for Bernie supporters.](https://jacobinmag.com/2020/5/joe-biden-democratic-party-presidential-primary-sanders) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/134 "2020-05-06T22:14:07Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > [Hope springs eternal for Bernie supporters.](https://jacobinmag.com/2020/5/joe-biden-democratic-party-presidential-primary-sanders) “The scandal-plagued Joe Biden.” Haha! What a crock of shit. The Bernie Bros are oozing desperation. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/135 "2020-05-06T22:28:17Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > “The scandal-plagued Joe Biden.” Haha! What a crock of shit. The Bernie Bros are oozing desperation. You know, until Hillary lost to that shit-for-brains with the tanning session gone horribly, horribly wrong, I didn’t realize that it was possible to feel Schadenfreude toward your own side. But damned if this isn’t fun. You’re running a desperate campaign for the future of America against an incumbent president holding all the cards. Go ahead and _ **KEEP EATING YOUR OWN, YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS!!! WHOOOOOOO** _ And the hell of it is that I was actually eating popcorn while reading this. This board. It’s like you’re MST3K’g your own wake. I just can’t get enough of you guys. I know I should be doing something constructive, but there’s just something about . . . this. It’s like being outside on a hot day and someone giving you an ice cold glass of ginger ale . . . that’s also stupid and annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/136 "2020-05-06T22:32:47Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > You know, until Hillary lost to that shit-for-brains with the tanning session gone horribly, horribly wrong, I didn’t realize that it was possible to feel Schadenfreude toward your own side. But damned if this isn’t fun. > > You’re running a desperate campaign for the future of America against an incumbent president holding all the cards. Go ahead and _ **KEEP EATING YOUR OWN, YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS!!! WHOOOOOOO** _ > > And the hell of it is that I was actually eating popcorn while reading this. This board. It’s like you’re MST3K’g your own wake. I just can’t get enough of you guys. I know I should be doing something constructive, but there’s just something about . . . this. It’s like being outside on a hot day and someone giving you an ice cold glass of ginger ale . . . that’s also stupid and annoying. Your larger font has convinced me. Not! I look forward to watching you hold your nose while you vote for Biden in November. That is, if you don’t vote for Chump, which I would not put it past the Bernie Cretins to do. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/137 "2020-05-06T22:34:35Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Your larger font has convinced me. Not! I look forward to watching you hold your nose while you vote for Biden in November. That is, if you don’t vote for Chump, which I would not put it past the Bernie Cretins to do. Like a refreshing swim in a clear lake . . . that doesn’t actually understand anything about politics. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/138 "2020-05-06T22:35:11Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > “The scandal-plagued Joe Biden.” Haha! What a crock of shit. The Bernie Bros are oozing desperation. I mean, it’s the Jacobin. Fantasy Socialism is what they do. If they ever suggested anything but “This is just the break Sanders has been waiting for”, they’d lose 90% of their readers. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/139 "2020-05-06T22:46:57Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I mean, it’s the Jacobin. Fantasy Socialism is what they do. If they ever suggested anything but “This is just the break Sanders has been waiting for”, they’d lose 90% of their readers. Indeed. No doubt **Linty Fresh** has a lifetime subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/140 "2020-05-06T22:53:11Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Indeed. No doubt **Linty Fresh** has a lifetime subscription. Dude, here’s a hint: Why don’t you try reading the threads you post to? I said upthread that I would vote for Biden, unless the rape allegations turned out to be true, in which case I’d vote third party. I’m not a socialist. Until 2004, I voted republican. You wanna know why Trump won in 2016? It’s because we as a party aren’t any smarter than he is as an individual. And that is really saying something. And that something rhymes with . . . well, actually not a lot rhymes with “Trumps ekes out another victory in November,” does it? Meh, I comfort myself by looking at this board and the democrats in general and thinking to myself, “Like _we’d_ do any better.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=8)