# I pit Ms. Tara Reade for putting our country through this **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020 "2020-05-02T14:46:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/141 "2020-05-06T23:01:31Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > Dude, here’s a hint: Why don’t you try reading the threads you post to? I said upthread that I would vote for Biden, unless the rape allegations turned out to be true, in which case I’d vote third party. I’m not a socialist. Until 2004, I voted republican. > > You wanna know why Trump won in 2016? It’s because we as a party aren’t any smarter than he is as an individual. And that is really saying something. And that something rhymes with . . . well, actually not a lot rhymes with “Trumps ekes out another victory in November,” does it? > > Meh, I comfort myself by looking at this board and the democrats in general and thinking to myself, “Like _we’d_ do any better.” Republikan. Figures. Smells like one. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/142 "2020-05-06T23:05:44Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Republikan. Figures. Smells like one. Sigh . . . it’s almost _too_ easy. Are you sure you’re in a place where you can talk about Bernie Bro’s being self-destructive idiots? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/143 "2020-05-06T23:27:16Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Republikan. Figures. Smells like one. You are doing the same thing MAGA types do. Your anointed one can do no wrong. It simply HAS to be some voodoo from Bernie Bros. Certainly your candidate can’t screw up. They are perfect. Sound familiar? ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/144 "2020-05-07T01:41:42Z")
Step #1…Get Trump out. Just get him and all his family and cronies out. Step #2…Flip the Senate if at all possible. Step #3…After the next 3-4 SC judges are appointed by Biden and confirmed by a Dem Senate, then we worry about purifying the Democratic party. It needs it, we can do it, first things first. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/145 "2020-05-07T01:56:15Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > Step #1…Get Trump out. Just get him and all his family and cronies out. > Step #2…Flip the Senate if at all possible. > Step #3…After the next 3-4 SC judges are appointed by Biden and confirmed by a Dem Senate, then we worry about purifying the Democratic party. It needs it, we can do it, first things first. Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/146 "2020-05-07T02:30:59Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Republikan. Figures. Smells like one. You’re a dumb piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/147 "2020-05-07T15:20:48Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > Step #1…Get Trump out. Just get him and all his family and cronies out. > Step #2…Flip the Senate if at all possible. > Step #3…After the next 3-4 SC judges are appointed by Biden and confirmed by a Dem Senate, then we worry about purifying the Democratic party. It needs it, we can do it, first things first. I think [this sums it up well.](https://i.redd.it/vygnfhyj61x41.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/148 "2020-05-07T15:29:16Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Did you feel the same about Christine Ford when she came forward with _her_ decades old allegation on the eve of Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court? Comparing the Kavanaugh issue to Biden is a false equivalency for a couple of reasons. Before his supreme court nomination, almost nobody had heard of him, so Ms. Ford did not have as much of a reason to come forward, and if Kavanaugh had not been confirmed, the Pubbies would have come up with another conservative justice instead. Biden’s been well known in public service for decades. Were these charges not sufficient enough to bring up when he was nominated for VP? Or how about when he first announced that he was throwing his hat into the ring for the 2020 nomination? It seems that it was only after he became the presumptive nominee that the charges really became public, where Biden cannot be realistically replaced by another candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/149 "2020-05-07T17:24:04Z")
> [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > Comparing the Kavanaugh issue to Biden is a false equivalency for a couple of reasons. Before his supreme court nomination, almost nobody had heard of him, so Ms. Ford did not have as much of a reason to come forward, and if Kavanaugh had not been confirmed, the Pubbies would have come up with another conservative justice instead. Biden’s been well known in public service for decades. Were these charges not sufficient enough to bring up when he was nominated for VP? Or how about when he first announced that he was throwing his hat into the ring for the 2020 nomination? It seems that it was only after he became the presumptive nominee that the charges really became public, where Biden cannot be realistically replaced by another candidate. I agree with all of this, and it’s what I’d categorize from my [earlier post](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22289195&postcount=128) as ‘maximizing partisan advantage.’ I’m curious how you fit her alleged contemporary reports of the assault (to friends, her mom, etc) into your framework of evaluating her veracity? If it weren’t for those, I’d feel comfortable completely dismissing this for lack of evidence combined with evidence of her prevarication and optimizing political advantage. But those contemporary reports nag at me. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/150 "2020-05-07T17:36:31Z")
Megyn Kelly tweeted that she has interviewed Reade. As far as I know, Kelly isn’t actually working for anyone these days so I’m not sure what the plan with her interview is. I’m sure she has one and isn’t just interviewing people in her basement for fun, I just dunno what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/151 "2020-05-07T17:51:32Z")
From The Hill: > [@](#): > > The interview will be posted on Kelly’s official Instagram and YouTube pages, with clips being released to networks and publications prior to the full sit-down airing, Kelly told The Hill. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/152 "2020-05-07T17:53:34Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Megyn Kelly tweeted that she has interviewed Reade. As far as I know, Kelly isn’t actually working for anyone these days so I’m not sure what the plan with her interview is. I’m sure she has one and isn’t just interviewing people in her basement for fun, I just dunno what it is. I’m sure, like all serious journalists, in the interest of balance, she also interviews the multiple women who have accused Trump of misdeeds. (Yes, I just shot milk out of my nose laughing while I wrote this.) ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/153 "2020-05-07T17:55:27Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > I agree with all of this, and it’s what I’d categorize from my [earlier post](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22289195&postcount=128) as ‘maximizing partisan advantage.’ > > I’m curious how you fit her alleged contemporary reports of the assault (to friends, her mom, etc) into your framework of evaluating her veracity? If it weren’t for those, I’d feel comfortable completely dismissing this for lack of evidence combined with evidence of her prevarication and optimizing political advantage. But those contemporary reports nag at me. What I wrote doesn’t necessarily rule out that she’s telling the truth. I actually suspect that she is, although I don’t have enough info to judge either way. But why wait so long? IIRC she indicated that she was a Bernie and/or Warren supporter, and that she’s a Trump hater. If she really wanted Bernie to win, she would have come forward with this info before Biden indicated his intention to run. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/154 "2020-05-07T18:03:58Z")
> [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > What I wrote doesn’t necessarily rule out that she’s telling the truth. I actually suspect that she is, although I don’t have enough info to judge either way. But why wait so long? IIRC she indicated that she was a Bernie and/or Warren supporter, and that she’s a Trump hater. If she really wanted Bernie to win, she would have come forward with this info before Biden indicated his intention to run. Interesting. I actually think she’s not telling the truth. As someone posted upthread, usually with people who commit assaults while from positions of power (different from Kavanaugh, who was a high school student at the time) have a pattern of doing so. Biden doesn’t. His pattern is to be overly familiar, which certainly comes with its own problem, but not to commit acts of assault. But, like I said, I have doubts because of the contemporary reports. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/155 "2020-05-07T18:16:37Z")
> [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > If she really wanted Bernie to win, she would have come forward with this info before Biden indicated his intention to run. I don’t think so. People have fairly short outrage periods and coming out too early allows him to spend a few months in the wilderness and re-emerge with these allegations being last season’s news. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/156 "2020-05-07T18:19:06Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I don’t think so. People have fairly short outrage periods and coming out too early allows him to spend a few months in the wilderness and re-emerge with these allegations being last season’s news. I think around the time of the intense speculation that Biden would run, but before his formal announcement strikes me as good timing, though I see your point as well. But would you agree that after every other candidate has thrown in the towel and endorsed Biden is poor timing? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/157 "2020-05-07T18:45:50Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > But would you agree that after every other candidate has thrown in the towel and endorsed Biden is poor timing? If you’re running on the idea that “Ok, Biden is out so we have to give it to the second place guy” then that would be the ideal time. After all, if Biden dropped out early, the moderate wing would have likely picked some consensus moderate instead who would be the nominee right now. The only way Sanders wins is if he’s the clear second place guy and you convince people that it matters. Which is the crux of the questioning about her “Countdown” tweet (Paraphrased – Some guy: “I bet a two way between Biden and Sanders would go different now”, Reade: “Just wait… three… two… one…”) I mean, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell of the DNC giving it to Sanders, nor should they, but there’s a whole lot of people out there doing the “It HAS to be Sanders if Biden drops out” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/158 "2020-05-07T18:53:23Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I don’t think so. People have fairly short outrage periods and coming out too early allows him to spend a few months in the wilderness and re-emerge with these allegations being last season’s news. If we assume the assertion made is true then not only is she a Sanders/Warren supporter but ALSO a Trump hater. If her goal was to maximize the chances for Sanders/Warren to win and hurt Trump then she would have come out with the news sometime early in 2020 to try and torpedo Biden’s primary run. Coming out with the news now really only helps Trump. It would make no sense for her to come out with this now if we also believe she hates Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/159 "2020-05-07T19:23:39Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Coming out with the news now really only helps Trump. It would make no sense for her to come out with this now if we also believe she hates Trump. Nah. There’s a ton of Sanders people convinced that (a) Biden needs to drop out, (b) Sanders needs to be given the nomination because “Second place” and (c) Only Sanders can beat Trump because somethingsomething young voters somethingsomething blue collar proletariat. Even before the allegations were widely known, it was still a constant “Oh, now Trump is going to win, if ONLY Sanders had the nomination… etc” from Sanders supporters I know. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020/160 "2020-05-07T19:35:36Z")
There is of course another possible motive. Republicans have no problem [bribing people to make up false accusations](https://www.salon.com/2020/05/07/woman-who-accused-dr-anthony-fauci-of-sexual-assault-now-claims-trump-supporters-paid-her-to-lie_partner/). There is no evidence that this happened in her case, and thus far Wohl’s attempts of scandal mongering have been so ham fisted as to be easily debunked at a moments notice, but Biden is an obvious target, and perhaps this is the one time they managed to get it to work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-ms-tara-reade-for-putting-our-country-through-this/853020.md?page=9)