# I pit my Mom, Grandma, Sister, Aunts, Uncles, and Friends **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529 "2006-10-23T03:25:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/121 "2006-10-24T20:34:16Z")
Here **Bob** , let me break it down for you: Reasons I Don’t Want to Have Kids 1. I love my life the way it is. 2. I am irresponsible (but responsible enough to know this). 3. I’m impatient. I hate teaching. 4. I’m not a morning person. 5. I’m not good with commitment. 6. Kids seriously get on my nerves. 7. I’m not family oriented (love my family, but don’t want to spend much time with them) 8. … Ah, you know what…nevermind. I’m sorry I opened this fucked up can o’ worms. None of my reasons would be valid to you and I don’t know why I feel the need to defend my choices to you, King Asshat. Please return to Castle Fuckup and resume your rule. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/122 "2006-10-24T21:08:00Z")
As for conservatives outbreeding liberals…so? Conservatism and liberalism are not genetically heritable traits, and a person makes up their own mind. I, for instance, am a liberal descended from a powerfully conservative family. Your argument means nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/123 "2006-10-24T21:09:22Z")
People, reproduce/don’t reproduce: Your Choice! **[Tommy Lee Jones] “I Don’t Care…!” [/Tommy Lee Jones]** Yes, it’s wrong to pressure people they way some families do. Its also wrong to be hair-triggered, reactionary and read things into what other people say. **Case In Point:** There was a co-worker that I got along with. She seemed smart and competent and we could BS about which coffee machine made better coffee in the office. (Please Note: this was Purely platonic and nothing else…just an office ‘friend’) At the end of the Christmas party one year, we found ourselves walking the same way back to the building and we started talking about general stuff. I started talking about my kids (I often do). I said that I lived for my kids and that they were the best things that ever happened to me. [please note: only talking about me; your mileage may vary] She shoots back a nasty reply that some people shouldn’t be allowed to have children and what right did I have saying that having children was so great. [Note: suddenly she’s not just talking about me, but she is most definitely Dissing me personally, professionally, as well as Dissing my kids.] I told her that I never regretted my kids and who the hell did she think she was to call me an unfit parent? She snippily replied how I shouldn’t be trying to brow-beat her into having kids. [What The Twisted-Logic Fuck!? Like I Ever cared what Tentacled Beasties© crawled in or out of her pants!!!] I ended up never speaking to her again after that night and she left the company soon afterwards. Epilogue: Yes, I get it that some relatives/lovers/dogs named ‘Sam’ might be telling you over and over to reproduce and you’ve built up a lot of resentment over the topic. But if I’m talking about **my** kids, WTF has that got to do with you or your organs? ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/124 "2006-10-24T21:42:48Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] I told her that I never regretted my kids and who the hell did she think she was to call me an unfit parent? She snippily replied how I shouldn’t be trying to brow-beat her into having kids. [What The Twisted-Logic Fuck!? Like I Ever cared what Tentacled Beasties© crawled in or out of her pants!!!] [/QUOTE] Was she drunk? Because that’s just plain bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/125 "2006-10-24T21:47:41Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] You know, with every time a child is born, there’s a chance it could turn out to be Bob. [/QUOTE] Good Christ, I think my tubes just tied themselves! ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/126 "2006-10-24T21:57:23Z")
[QUOTE=pimaspinner] I’m sorry I opened this fucked up can o’ worms. None of my reasons would be valid to you and I don’t know why I feel the need to defend my choices to you, King Asshat. Please return to Castle Fuckup and resume your rule. [/QUOTE] You don’t have a damn thing to be sorry about, **pimaspinner**. There are alot of us here in this thread and out in the world who have made the moral, ethical, and responsible decision to not have children when we know we don’t want them. Many of us suffer or have suffered through thoughtless attempts by others to tell us how much we don’t know ourselves and our own capacities and preferences. You’ve done nothing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/127 "2006-10-24T22:06:14Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] Really? I can’t make observations about women? You clearly have issues with men, I don’t know what they are but they seem to run pretty deep. If you just tried being sweet it might get you further in life than being so sour. [/QUOTE] You mean a might land a man? Oh, wouldn’t that be wonderful. Then I could settle down and have lots and lots of babies. ---
**Author:** ![Wnabtokio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Wnabtokio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wnabtokio)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/128 "2006-10-24T22:11:21Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] You said “would add nothing to my life that I don’t already have”. Again it feels like we’re talking in terms of needs and wants here. You have everything you _want_. Life isn’t about _wants_, it’s about needs. I’m not sure specifically what your wants are, but the fact that you are on a subscription website says that your needs are being fulfilled at least (food, water, shelter, heat), so clearly there is room for a baby in your life. You just don’t want it, and that goes back to my argument that it is therefore selfish. [/QUOTE] Y’know, most of the things that I wanted to respond to in your post have been responded to by higher minds than mine. So I just wanted to clarify this one thing: I’m 21, unmarried, live paycheck to paycheck, have a mountain of debt, and have no college degree. I live in a small two bedroom apartment with a roommate, and the internet is my only true luxury. I’m minus a viable grandparent to help care for a potential baby now that my dad’s dead. Your post seems to imply that I need to have a baby RIGHT NOW, which is even weirder than the “you’ll change your mind” argument. Does it really sound like I would be able to give a child a good life, or does it sound like my baby would be sleeping in a drawer and essentially cared for by the cats while I’m at work? And why would a baby of an uneducated, unwed mother be a better result than me getting a degree and dedicating my life to charity, or medicine, and potentially making millions of lives better? What about if I wanted to go into pre-natal care? That’s a lot of potential baby lives saved. But you’re saying that if I were to have to choose b/t giving my time and money for that kind of thing, or giving my time and money to raise one single child, the one child would be better b/c it’s mine? How incredibly ego-centric of you to think that your children are better than a large group of children, and it really sounds like that would be your decision. It’s probably time you realized that everyone doesn’t have the same life as you. I’m certain that you make more money than I do at this point, and you seem to have a support network of at least a spouse, and probably grandparents and the like. There’s not a lot of that in Tokio-country, I’ll tell you. But I’m aware that you’ll never change your mind, so I’m about done here. To all of you that raise children b/c you love to see your faces in them, or they make you feel like a kid again yourself, good on you. Have as many as you like, and if you’re a friend of mine, I’ll be the best faux-aunt they ever had, I promise. No baby shakin’ or anything. To you, however, maybe you should learn to accept other’s viewpoints without sounding like such a judgemental prick. I’m behind your decision to fill your life with little footsteps, for the record. Enjoy it! ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/129 "2006-10-24T22:25:38Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] There are so many deeply depressed people in this thread who think the only real joy in life is their materialism. [/QUOTE] Depressed? Who’s depressed? And where did you get your medical degree which allows you to make diagnosises like that over the internet? > [@Bob55](#): > > But it’s wasted time on being “deep” like this that is a perfect example of how most people here cannot just focus on the important things in life but would rather instead be “cultured”. Anti-intellectualism, too? Wow, you are a real treasure. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/130 "2006-10-24T22:35:39Z")
[QUOTE=Shoshana] I used “talk to your heterosexual daughter!” to good effect. [/QUOTE] I’ve tried “Talk to your other son, you know the one who is both older than me _and_ in a long-term heterosexual relationship”, but no dice. **Bob55** , the reason people are being so horrible to you is that what you’re saying is dumb. It’s really that simple. You haven’t even managed to say why not having children is selfish. Being selfish is caring more about yourself than others; who are these others who are harmed by me not having children? ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/131 "2006-10-24T22:43:05Z")
Meanwhile, jumping way back in the thread: [QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] we can have sex all day and night [/QUOTE] Enjoy it while you can, kid! (I’m not exactly sure how that makes you a depressed person) ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/132 "2006-10-24T22:58:31Z")
[QUOTE=bluethree] You mean a might land a man? Oh, wouldn’t that be wonderful. Then I could settle down and have lots and lots of babies. [/QUOTE] Can you cook though? ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/133 "2006-10-24T23:09:45Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] Can you cook though? [/QUOTE] That’s women’s work. They have no choice, it’s in their genes. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/134 "2006-10-24T23:16:39Z")
[QUOTE=Katriona] > [@DianaG](#): > > You know, with every time a child is born, there’s a chance it could turn out to be Bob. Good Christ, I think my tubes just tied themselves! [/QUOTE] 😃 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bob55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bob55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob55)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/135 "2006-10-25T00:04:49Z")
Ahh, I see the zerg rush has continued in my absence. You know, if I was flat-out wrong people would have ignored me long ago. But the fact that you actually take the time to address my “you are selfish” argument shows that really there is some deep-seeded hatred in many of you for the truth I speak. You really, really, really hate society for some reason or another, and feel that you must prove me wrong at all costs because it will in a sense validate your selfish and materialistic lives. [QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I addressed your opinion seriously in both posts #44 and #84. And yet…you seem to have only responded to my posts which mocked you, while ignoring those. Why, it’s almost as if you have no good argument against them. Shock! Horror! Surprise! Care to try again? Or will you be ignoring/responding with scorn to this post, as well? [/QUOTE] #44 was no response, it was senseless. I addressed #84 if you actually read my responses when I discussed the “fornication does not lead to conception” argument. But who’s not reading who’s posts now? Oh that’s right, evidently you. I didn’t address your gay comment because I don’t want to get off topic. But if you read my earlier definition of selfishness and needs vs wants, then yes, homosexuals fall into the selfish “need” category. They are only thinking of themselves. [QUOTE=Miller] Hey, dickcheese: _you’re_ the one who wandered into this thread and started lobbing the personal insults. Don’t get on your high horse when other people treat you exactly the way you’ve treated them. Now run along and attend to your crotchspawn. If they’ve inherited your intellect, they’re probably busy playing space man with a garment bag, or sticking pennies into electric sockets. Why don’t you go see to that. It might help distract you, however temporarily, from the crushing realization that you’re trapped with those little parasites for the rest of your life. [/QUOTE] OMG IT’S TEH PIT I MUST FLAME SOMEONE AND FLAME THEIR KIDS TOO RAR. Yes, you can use impressive words like “dickcheese” and tell someone to stick things into light sockets (which is on some level a threat and bannable), I bow to you. For that, you win the argument because I cannot compete with such immeasurable intellect. As for my intelligence, well that would be a Ph.D. in Molecular Cell Biology but hey, what do I know. [QUOTE=Boscibo] Women have a care reflex? Nothing annoys me more than hearing a baby cry! I just want to run far away. 42, female, never wanted kids and don’t regret it. There’s far too many people in the world aready. [/QUOTE] Yes, but you don’t have kids so it’s a difficult case. I know if you pushed one out you’d protect it with your dying breath. You’ve got 50,000 years of modern homosapiens behind that instinct. [QUOTE=DianaG] You know, with every time a child is born, there’s a chance it could turn out to be Bob. [/QUOTE] Your wit is admirable. And my words hurt you because it’s a deeper truth that you cannot stand to face. [QUOTE=Alistair McCello] You are right that the world went around before Newton, but you know what? He made that world a better place for future generations! Same with Thomas Paine. They devoted themselves to making the world better, and they did it without needing children. [/QUOTE] Whether or not they did is objective. Did they make it a better place for native Americans? Hrm maybe I’ll go ask one, oh wait they’re only 0.2% of the population now. Thanks Newton and Mr. Paine. Again, selfishness - they made the world a better place for _you_, they made _your_ life easier. But they didn’t for everybody. [QUOTE=Priceguy] **Bob55** , the reason people are being so horrible to you is that what you’re saying is dumb. It’s really that simple. You haven’t even managed to say why not having children is selfish. Being selfish is caring more about yourself than others; who are these others who are harmed by me not having children? [/QUOTE] No, the reason is because I am one of the few people actually speaking up and I represent “the red states”. Unfortunately, the mentality of The Pit for whatever reason is of “the blue states”. And nothing gets a person in a blue state going like somebody else dare offering a difference of opinion. Oh we’re supposed to be “open to discussion”, but here we are, shutting down the discussion when it doesn’t suit your needs. People are just upset that the core of my argument - they are selfish - is irrefutable. [QUOTE=Wnabtokio] Y’know, most of the things that I wanted to respond to in your post have been responded to by higher minds than mine. So I just wanted to clarify this one thing: I’m 21, unmarried, live paycheck to paycheck, have a mountain of debt, and have no college degree. I live in a small two bedroom apartment with a roommate, and the internet is my only true luxury. I’m minus a viable grandparent to help care for a potential baby now that my dad’s dead. Your post seems to imply that I need to have a baby RIGHT NOW, which is even weirder than the “you’ll change your mind” argument. Does it really sound like I would be able to give a child a good life, or does it sound like my baby would be sleeping in a drawer and essentially cared for by the cats while I’m at work? And why would a baby of an uneducated, unwed mother be a better result than me getting a degree and dedicating my life to charity, or medicine, and potentially making millions of lives better? What about if I wanted to go into pre-natal care? That’s a lot of potential baby lives saved. But you’re saying that if I were to have to choose b/t giving my time and money for that kind of thing, or giving my time and money to raise one single child, the one child would be better b/c it’s mine? How incredibly ego-centric of you to think that your children are better than a large group of children, and it really sounds like that would be your decision. It’s probably time you realized that everyone doesn’t have the same life as you. I’m certain that you make more money than I do at this point, and you seem to have a support network of at least a spouse, and probably grandparents and the like. There’s not a lot of that in Tokio-country, I’ll tell you. But I’m aware that you’ll never change your mind, so I’m about done here. To all of you that raise children b/c you love to see your faces in them, or they make you feel like a kid again yourself, good on you. Have as many as you like, and if you’re a friend of mine, I’ll be the best faux-aunt they ever had, I promise. No baby shakin’ or anything. To you, however, maybe you should learn to accept other’s viewpoints without sounding like such a judgemental prick. I’m behind your decision to fill your life with little footsteps, for the record. Enjoy it! [/QUOTE] I do accept other’s viewpoints, but I’m allowed to have my own as well. If they don’t want to have kids, more power to them and I won’t stop them, but I am allowed to conclude as to why they will not. And my conclusion is they are selfish. That’s my viewpoint. Everyone else is sure judgemental about me, but the second I put my idea forward (that again represents the majority of the country) I get reamed and called a “judgemental prick”. I know that your situation isn’t perfect for having a child, I didn’t say you had to have one right now. It’s when I hear people say they don’t want children ever that I get a pretty good idea about what makes them tick. And generallly, it’s materialism or selfishness. [QUOTE=pimaspinner] Here **Bob** , let me break it down for you: Reasons I Don’t Want to Have Kids 1. I love my life the way it is. 2. I am irresponsible (but responsible enough to know this). 3. I’m impatient. I hate teaching. 4. I’m not a morning person. 5. I’m not good with commitment. 6. Kids seriously get on my nerves. 7. I’m not family oriented (love my family, but don’t want to spend much time with them) 8. … . [/QUOTE] 9. Selfish 10. Unselfish, though I think as a parent you would overcome irresponsibility. 11. Unselfish, but you could improve yourself and learn to be a good teacher, and learn patience. 12. Selfish 13. Selfish 14. Unselfish, but a problem you could work on. 15. Selfish [QUOTE=Guinastasia] I hope someday **Bob** ’s kids grow up and refuse to have kids. [/QUOTE] That would be their choice, and I would tell them my opinion but I wouldn’t _force_ anyone to have kids. [QUOTE=Faruiza] attack, psht, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. This is the pit. Get to know it. As a matter of fact, if you think you want to debate about it, go on over to GD. I tend to avoid that place because I’m obviously outgunned, but I would make a special trip into that forum to watch what the really smart people in this place would do to you. (without swearing, even!) [/QUOTE] The Pit != excuse to go off on someone in a way you wouldn’t do in person. Everything I’ve said today I would say to someone in person, as my opinion. But I seriously doubt anyone would call me a “dickcheese” IRL. It’s not polite and I expect the same treatment even when anonymity is involved. Sorry to hold you all to such high standards as common decency. I never claimed to be “smart”. I have a Ph.D. in Molecular Cell Biology, and would fare pretty well against someone in that field. But I didn’t realize that someone’s intelligence affected whether or not they had a right to the First Ammendment? [QUOTE=The Swan] No you don’t. [/QUOTE] Yes, I do. Stop looking at me swan. [QUOTE=DianaG] Actually, deep down I’m a very happy, secure, and compassionate person. However, I wear my disdain for assholes right on the surface. You’re not an asshole because you think everyone should have kids. You’re an asshole because you come in here, drop bullshit amateur psychoanalyses of and derrogatory comments about people who don’t want kids, and then cry foul when people disagree with you. You seem to think when \*you \* say something offensive it’s just “offering an opinion”, and when someone \*else \* says something offensive, it’s a personal attack. Which granted, a lot of these are, _now_. Because you’ve been an asshole. You also seem to be completely unclear on the definition of the word “truth”. Allow me to help. It isn’t “whatever Bob thinks”. You keep offering “arguments” as to why people who don’t want kids are selfish and depressed and in denial, but when confronted with evidence to the contrary, you shut your eyes, block your ears, and lalalalalala some more. Your logic is not like our earth logic. And frankly, I’m fucking bored with you whining about how mean we are. It’s the Pit. Suck it up. [/QUOTE] Sorry my viewpoint hits home so hard, but again I represent the majority of America, not the minority. So don’t kill the messenger. And don’t use your anonymity as an excuse to be a jerk to someone just because you can. I doubt you treat anyone IRL with such disrespect. Show me this evidence you claim exists that counters my selfish/materialistic argument? You can’t find a single person who doesn’t want to have kids that has a legitamate unselfish reason, especially on these boards where people clearly have the free time to have kids, but they’d prefer to use that time moping around on a message board feeling bad for themselves and having a pity party with their buddies because someone dare suggested they get some reason in their life and have children. [QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] I simply can’t believe the BS that is being spewed by **Bob55**. Is this man actually trying to tell me I respond to the sound of a child crying by wanting to help it? I respond to the sound of a child crying by getting the hell as far away from it as possible, including leaving resturants. (If I see an unattended child, that is different. I don’t like kids but I am not going to stand by and let one get hurt. I’m not going to let an animal get hurt, either. The difference is that I will actively try to find out why a kitten is crying.) **Bob55** , no one is faulting you for stating your opinion. What is annoying the hell out of people is the way you are doing it - telling others that their choices are wrong. Just because you have made choices does not mean those same choices are the right ones for other people. Telling women they _have_ to respond to a braying child or that they **have** to be a slave to their chromosomes doesn’t invite intelligent discourse, it invites ridicule - which you are receiving in full measure, in case you haven’t noticed. People such as you are the reason many women had children they didn’t want - because they were “expected” to. Some of those children ended up doing well. Some of them did not. Some of them died. Let people make decisions for themselves. [/QUOTE] Yes, they are faulting me for stating my opinion. Nearly everyone in this thread has. My opinion is that their choices are wrong, sorry I don’t sugar coat it. As DianaG said to me “It’s the Pit. Suck it up”. And as I’ve already said, the maternal instinct will always kick in. Sure, a crying baby sucks, but you adapt, and learn, and get along. And eventually you realize how to fix it in 5 seconds flat. It’s your kids, suck it up. I’m sorry that the fact that you are a slave to your chromosomes hurts so many people. “WE’RE BETTER THAN OUR CHROMOSOMES WE SWEAR”. No, you aren’t. 50,000 years of humanity, and 2 billion years of life says otherwise, or else you wouldn’t be here. Everything you do is due to your genes. Even the thought of “no I have overcome them” is a result of your genes. [QUOTE=DeadlyAccurate] :rolleyes: Because I do that so often around here. A search of my history will prove that I am very laid back on this board, and I try not to make waves. I’ve never Pitted anyone, and I’m not sure I’ve ever joined in a Pit against another poster. For you to get me so pissed off that I actually resort to mocking you publicly shows how incredibly fucked up I find your opinions. [/QUOTE] Maternal instinct is in you. Maybe the world today doesn’t promote it for one reason or another, but it’s there. You’re welcome to feel about my opinions however you wish, I respect that. In fact, this is how you should respond to someone, you attack the opinions and say they are “fucked up”, not the person. If you want to attack me personally, just Pit me (it wouldn’t be the first time, [Bob55 Pitting1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289034) and [Bob55 Pitting2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=138908)). But in this discussion I expect people to direct their anger at the ideas that hit so close to home rather than me, because I just won’t respond to personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![quilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/839c29/32.png) [@quilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quilter)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/136 "2006-10-25T00:06:50Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] Stop being so defensive, I’m not here to judge you, only to inform you. [/QUOTE] Inform me? INFORM me? Unless you can cite double-blind scientific research, the only thing you’re qualified to inform me about is your own opinion. Which I will weigh with all due regard, naturally. (Fwiw, happy childhood, folks married 50 years, and not particularly fond of children.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/137 "2006-10-25T00:07:09Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] Really? I can’t make observations about women? You clearly have issues with men, I don’t know what they are but they seem to run pretty deep. If you just tried being sweet it might get you further in life than being so sour. [/QUOTE] Observations are best left to being about matters that you personally have observed. “Observations about women,” as expressed by you in this particular sentence _could_ mean “observations about specific women of my [your] acquaintance,” if you want to claim that, I suppose. If you do, it’s probably in your best interest to announce that fact when you’re making the statement. Otherwise, you’re leaving yourself open to people reading it as: > [@not really a quote because it's so heavily extrapolated](#): > > Really? I can’t make bullshit generalizations about women? In fact, that reading in this case appears justified by the fact that you seem to be freely applying them to women on the SDMB, whom, I’ll hazard to assert, you have never so much as clapped eyes on, let alone observed. Don’t worry about the reference to **Jack Dean Tyler** ; he was a Doper of some notoriety, which he earned, in part, by posting his opinions, and subsequently acting as though by doing so, he had furnished us with unassailable facts. If you missed him, you missed him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/138 "2006-10-25T00:14:51Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] Yes, I do. Stop looking at me swan. [/QUOTE] Cite? Not that you’ll produce one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/139 "2006-10-25T00:19:27Z")
I’m not 100% convinced that Bob isn’t trolling, at this point. I’ve been wrong about these things in the past (I think), but I’m having a hard time believing that any of this is for real. It’s just the right mix of ignore and nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529/140 "2006-10-25T00:27:46Z")
[QUOTE=Bob55] Sorry my viewpoint hits home so hard, but again I represent the majority of America, not the minority. [/QUOTE] That must be an incredible burden. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-my-mom-grandma-sister-aunts-uncles-and-friends/377529.md?page=8)