# I pit...myself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744 "2023-01-05T20:32:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/121 "2023-01-08T09:41:00Z")
Do you really expect engagement when you make such incredibly lazy lies like this? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/122 "2023-01-08T09:46:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > you don’t have the IQ to comprehend the irony Every accusation etc. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/123 "2023-01-08T09:57:35Z")
I see you’ve found ChatGPT. > [@Miller](#): > > If you’re working at Subway and voting Republican, no. If you’re working for the Holocaust Museum and voting for the American Nazi Party, then yeah. Jordan Peterson works in a profession dedicated to healing and preventing emotional harm, and in his spare time, advocates for the intentional infliction of emotional harm on minority groups he dislikes. It’s entirely appropriate that the people responsible for gatekeeping his profession keep him the fuck out. I see the bigger harm being in institutions that enforce an orthodoxy. Institutional capture is the name of the long game. Pushing the idea that justices determine law was a swell idea until it wasn’t. Advocating for powerful institutions to suppress and punish freedom of expression might be equally a transitorily swell idea. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/124 "2023-01-08T10:01:54Z")
Wow, you’ve come over to the left side then? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/125 "2023-01-08T10:04:20Z")
Institutions have always “enforced an orthodoxy” to varying degrees. Your selective worry about it - always on the left, never on the right - is not credible. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/126 "2023-01-08T10:05:31Z")
It’s the ultra right who enforce orthodoxy. It’s (mostly) the left who challenge it. And you, octopus, are just a prawn, dangling around in the tentacles of uncertainty ROFLMAO. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/127 "2023-01-08T10:06:00Z")
Man, I would join in the ass kicking, but it looks like octopus is doing a fantastic job of kicking his own ass. 🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/128 "2023-01-08T10:07:21Z")
I am the tentacled one! See the avatar? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/129 "2023-01-08T10:07:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Man, I would join in the ass kicking, but it looks like octopus is doing a fantastic job of kicking his own ass. 🤣🤣 That’s an awfully philosophical conundrum really. Can an octopus kick its own arse? Does it have one? Does it have knees? Oh my, I shall have many questions to sleep upon tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/130 "2023-01-08T10:21:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I see the bigger harm being in institutions that enforce an orthodoxy. Yeah, it’s not entirely surprising that someone who doesn’t have any experience with personal prejudice would be more concerned with hypothetical, largely ideologically-derived concerns over real-world harms to living people. > [@octopus](#): > > Pushing the idea that justices determine law was a swell idea until it wasn’t. I’ve never understood this idea. I agreed with the court when it ruled on Roe. I disagreed with it when it overturned it. The idea that I’d change my mind on the role of the Court when it stopped it stopped producing rulings I agreed with is like assuming that I’m going to change my mind about democracy when a Republican wins an election. Which, as we’ve recently learned, is exactly how Republicans thinks, so I guess I understand why that argument comes up so much. > [@octopus](#): > > Advocating for powerful institutions to suppress and punish freedom of expression might be equally a transitorily swell idea. Advocating that powerful institutions oppose bigotry is always going to be a good idea. It remains a good idea even when the bigots get in power, and start advocating for bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/131 "2023-01-08T10:27:56Z")
Institutions that have been empowered to do the common good have done the most harm in the history of the world. Every thing from religious inquisitions to flawed revolutions like the French revolution to the horrors of the 20th century have been perpetrated by powerful institutions in an environment lacking a widespread belief in strong individual liberty. My personal experience is irrelevant compared to the historical record of the dangers of the concentration of power. Once power is concentrated the fight is on to seize that where the power is. Unfortunately, in my house the power to assign laundry chores is not in my hands and I got to get to folding. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/132 "2023-01-08T10:38:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Institutions that have been empowered to do the common good have done the most harm in the history of the world. They have also done the most good in human history. Unsurprisingly, humans are able to accomplish a lot more when they work in concert than when they work as individuals. > [@octopus](#): > > My personal experience is irrelevant compared to the historical record of the dangers of the concentration of power. Once power is concentrated the fight is on to seize that where the power is. Then your concern should not be with any particular ruling made by the College of Psychologists of Ontario, but with the fact that it exists in the first place. Whether they sanction or protect Peterson should be equally objectionable, as they are only able to do either because of their concentrated power. Unless your position is that concentrations of power are okay, so long as they act in ways that comport with your personal definition of liberty. Which is fine, but you shouldn’t act all outraged when other people are okay with concentrations of power that support _their_ personal definitions of liberty. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/133 "2023-01-08T12:09:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@octopus](#): > > > > Funny that. Especially since the left has referred to every Republican since Lincoln as literally Hitler. > > Which confused the fuck out of Rutherford B. Hayes, let me tell you. Not to mention Eisenhower. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/134 "2023-01-08T12:17:10Z")
Not until Ike learned that to _beat_ the man, he’s gotta _be_ the man. Then he understood. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/135 "2023-01-08T12:53:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Institutions that have been empowered to do the common good have done the most harm in the history of the world. Every thing from religious inquisitions to flawed revolutions like the French revolution to the horrors of the 20th century have been perpetrated by powerful institutions in an environment lacking a widespread belief in strong individual liberty. > > My personal experience is irrelevant compared to the historical record of the dangers of the concentration of power. Once power is concentrated the fight is on to seize that where the power is. This demonstrates that your knowledge of history is just at a kid’s level indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/136 "2023-01-08T18:38:15Z")
Doesn’t octo have a separate Pit thread already? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/137 "2023-01-08T18:53:36Z")
You think he’s going to give the woke mob the satisfaction of playing their game? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/138 "2023-01-08T18:58:39Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Doesn’t octo have a separate Pit thread already? I was just about to remark on that. You know how on CS, there will be a sub-heading that indicates the general direction of the thread’s theme (movies, cooking, literature)? The Pit could use one for threads that turn into _The **octopus** Show_. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/139 "2023-01-08T19:02:11Z")
Or, you could demonstrate some agency and choose to scroll past or read something else. Unless your modem is a literal potato or turnip it shouldn’t be that hard. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744/140 "2023-01-08T19:05:02Z")
> **[Recipe: Sautéed Octopus with Sweet Potato and Turnip Greens](https://www.myguidealgarve.com/travel-articles/recipe-sauteed-octopus-with-sweet-potato-and-turnip-greens)** > > A recipe using the best of local Algarve produce - octopus from the ocean, sweet potatoes from Aljezur and locally made olive oil. Enjoy this delicious SautÃ... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-myself/977744.md?page=8)