# I pit NJ Gov Chris Christie for saying an idiotic thing about Civil Rights **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798 "2012-01-27T01:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/21 "2012-01-28T18:44:15Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > But it wasn’t possible, and he’s just setting up his veto of a gay marriage bill. He’s scum. About 300 pounds of scum in a 200 pound bag. Yes, I know it wasn’t possible. Again, he’s saying “Those people didn’t have the same tools you do.” This OP said he said something about civil rights that he doesn’t appear to have said. That’s the extent of my defending Christie. My defense does not extend to his bigotry and cowardice. I am only saying his mentioning of the civil rights activists isn’t the insult the OP took it as. Arguing with me about Christie’s stance on gay rights will not actually get you anywhere since I don’t agree with Christie (and probably do agree with you). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/22 "2012-01-28T20:20:06Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Arguing with me about Christie’s stance on gay rights will not actually get you anywhere since I don’t agree with Christie (and probably do agree with you). Way to wreck a good argument. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/23 "2012-01-28T20:39:41Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Way to wreck a good argument. We can fight about something else if you want. How do you feel about the designated hitter? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/24 "2012-01-28T21:40:19Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > We can fight about something else if you want. How do you feel about the designated hitter? The greatest atrocity in the history of mankind! What is the point of having a manager in this mode? The lineup cycles through without change, and pitchers never risk getting the ball thrown at their head! Nothing has been worse for the game since the Blacksox scandal. Anyway, that’s the best I can muster on the subject. It doesn’t bother me that much, and actually the only way I could have been a professional ball player was as a designated hitter. But still, based on principle, it’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/25 "2012-01-28T21:42:12Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > The greatest atrocity in the history of mankind! What is the point of having a manager in this mode? The lineup cycles through without change, and pitchers never risk getting the ball thrown at their head! Nothing has been worse for the game since the Blacksox scandal. > > Anyway, that’s the best I can muster on the subject. It doesn’t bother me that much, and actually the only way I could have been a professional ball player was as a designated hitter. But still, based on principle, it’s a bad thing. And this shows, perfectly, why people like you should be shot then deported, or the other way around! ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/26 "2012-01-28T21:53:29Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Bleh, I can’t believe I’m defending him in the slightest way, but I think he was trying to say that the Civil Rights activists would have been glad to have had the tool of a popular referendum available. So he’s not trying to speak counterfactually and say that they DID; he’s trying to say the Gay Rights activists are ungrateful in that they DO have that option but aren’t taking it. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Yes, I know it wasn’t possible. Again, he’s saying “Those people didn’t have the same tools you do.” The point is, if they had the same tools, and put it to a referendum, the Civil Rights Movement would have gotten nowhere, because all of the needed changes would have been voted down handily by the bigoted populace of the time. While I’m sure they would have been happy to get their rights without unrest, the reality is that they wouldn’t have gotten them at all if they had put their rights up for public vote, I don’t believe for a second that folks would have accepted THAT particular tradeoff. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/27 "2012-01-28T22:07:15Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > And this shows, perfectly, why people like you should be shot then deported, or the other way around! Yeah right! Just like you and the fat governor you have a crush on. What are you? Some kind of Yankees fan I’ll bet. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/28 "2012-01-28T22:11:42Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > What are you? Some kind of Yankees fan I’ll bet. That was mean. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/29 "2012-01-28T22:14:05Z")
Reported. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/30 "2012-01-28T22:18:06Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > The greatest atrocity in the history of mankind! Not saying that it’s not an atrocity. But there’s an argument to be made that letting Rupert Murdoch buy the Dodgers was worse… ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/31 "2012-01-28T22:18:47Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Yes, I know it wasn’t possible. Again, he’s saying “Those people didn’t have the same tools you do.” The people building the pyramids didn’t have pipe wrenches, but it’s not like they’d have been of any use to them if they did. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/32 "2012-01-28T22:21:50Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > I heard some idiot woman on the radio this morning lauding Christie for his anti-gay stance: “I don’t think God would want gay marriage,” she agreed. You know God wouldn’t want you showing your hair like a filthy \*whore \*in certain countries? Do you \*really \*want to live in a theocracy? > > Since Christie doesn’t want “the definition of marriage changed,” perhaps he can put it up to a vote in NJ as to whether to abolish interracial marriage, or legalized divorce? God I love the cognitive dissonance of election years. One of the news channels was just showing a woman talking about how she’s voting for Newt Gingrich because of his Christian values. By Christian values Newt’s wife (the Third Lady of Newt, currently seeking to be the nation’s First Aging-Cum-Guzzling-Gutter-Whore\*) his current wife would be taken out and stoned to death, and while I admit that in her particular case I wouldn’t shed a tear, OT Law is still not a door that I want to legally open. You start to wonder, are people like this woman and other vocal Newt=Bible-values people really that fucking retarded or do they think the people listening to them are? At least with Santorum you know that however hypocritical he may or may not be he makes up for by being fucking nuts, but not all Christian conservatives can be, can they? \*Sorry, that’s unfair- she can’t help the Aging part so you can take that one off ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/33 "2012-01-28T22:31:50Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > The people building the pyramids didn’t have pipe wrenches, but it’s not like they’d have been of any use to them if they did. Look, I’m not saying Christie isn’t an idiot! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/34 "2012-01-28T22:38:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Reported. Yeah I know you’re not allowed to call someone a Yankees fan even in the Pit, but I’ll take the warning! Ban me if you want. Ogdamned designated pitcher fans! ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/35 "2012-01-28T22:50:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > God I love the cognitive dissonance of election years. One of the news channels was just showing a woman talking about how she’s voting for Newt Gingrich because of his Christian values. By Christian values Newt’s wife (the Third Lady of Newt, currently seeking to be the nation’s First Aging-Cum-Guzzling-Gutter-Whore\*) his current wife would be taken out and stoned to death, and while I admit that in her particular case I wouldn’t shed a tear, OT Law is still not a door that I want to legally open. > > You start to wonder, are people like this woman and other vocal Newt=Bible-values people really that fucking retarded or do they think the people listening to them are? At least with Santorum you know that however hypocritical he may or may not be he makes up for by being fucking nuts, but not all Christian conservatives can be, can they? > > \*Sorry, that’s unfair- she can’t help the Aging part so you can take that one off Everyone knows that the only thing Jesus ever talked about was abortion and gay rights. He never mentioned divorce! Jeez, you libs! Try readin’ a Bible sometime, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/36 "2012-01-28T23:20:54Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > his current wife would be taken out and stoned to death You know perfectly well stones would bounce harmlessly off her impressive Ann Miller hair-helmet. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/37 "2012-01-30T15:04:40Z")
I like to think of Christie as one of the not-retarded Republicans. Don’t spoil it for me. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/38 "2012-01-30T15:16:41Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Yes, I know it wasn’t possible. Again, he’s saying “Those people didn’t have the same tools you do.” I see what you’re saying, but by making the comparison, isn’t he also essentially setting up his side as the equivalent of the anti-civil rights people? Why would anyone in their right mind evoke that imagery? “Yes, I’m oppressing peoples’ rights, just like we did pre-1965. If you don’t like it, hold a referendum!” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/39 "2012-01-30T15:43:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I like to think of Christie as one of the not-retarded Republicans. Don’t spoil it for me. I’m nominally republican and I know he is retarded. The worst governor we have had in my memory. And that’s saying a lot. He has a lot of sheep fooled though. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798/40 "2012-01-30T15:48:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I like to think of Christie as one of the not-retarded Republicans. Don’t spoil it for me. I agree he reads above the 3rd grade level. That’s not exactly the sense of ‘retarded’ being use in reference to him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-nj-gov-chris-christie-for-saying-an-idiotic-thing-about-civil-rights/610798.md?page=3)