# I pit NJ's soon to be Illegal Immigrant Help. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 1, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600 "2009-04-01T18:18:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8797f3/32.png) [@Ocean\_Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ocean_Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/241 "2009-04-03T15:08:55Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > This assertion is false. > > The rest of your comment was not substantive. How do you think people access services, they just head on down to the local food stamp office, then the local HUD office for some free rent, and on over to the gummint bank for some cash? These services are coordinated through the Department of Social Services. Even if the office for a service is located in a building other than the Department of Social Services, it’s still the through the same agency. The point of the post was to dispel the myth that people don’t work and live on welfare. Have you looked at the average food stamp allotment given to a family of three in various states? In Alabama it is $277.00 a month. With the exception of disability, there are no government handouts that permit a person or family to live without working. These the facts. Below is a quote from the [Virginia Department of Social Services.](http://www.dss.virginia.gov/benefit/foodstamp.html) Bold is mine. > [@](#): > > Proof of identity (driver’s license or picture I.D.), residence, income, resource and shelter expenses are required. An interview is also required. If you apply at your local department of social services, the interview may take place at a later date. > > Applications for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or General Relief, are considered an application for food stamps, unless you request otherwise. > If all members have applied for or get Supplemental Security Income (SSI), you may also apply for food stamps at the local Social Security office. > \ > > \*\*Work Requirements \*\* > **If you are age 18 to 50 and able to work, you may be subject to a work requirement in order to receive food stamps.** This requirement would limit the number of months for which you could receive food stamps to three months in a 36 month period. After you receive food stamps for three months, you may be able to receive three additional months if you complete certain work related requirements. You may be exempt from this work requirement if you are currently working or participating in an approved work program; responsible for the care of a child; pregnant; medically certified as unable to work; meet one of several work registration exemption reasons; or live in an exempt locality. ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8797f3/32.png) [@Ocean\_Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ocean_Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/242 "2009-04-03T15:15:13Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Do you have a source for these claims? I’ll let you follow your own advice from post #146. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You can look all this stuff up, if you’re interested ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/243 "2009-04-03T15:20:47Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > But just because somebody’s life would improve if they could immigrate to the United States doesn’t neccesarily mean that the United States should accomodate them. I’m not saying that people who come to the country illegally are acting irrationally, or even are bad people, but the US has the right to control its borders and decide who has the right to enter and live here. Exactly; it is not a human right to live in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/244 "2009-04-03T15:24:13Z")
> [@niblet\_head](#): > > For this study, numb nuts, it is a representative cross-section. No, it’s not. > [@Ocean\_Annie](#): > > How do you think people access services, they just head on down to the local food stamp office, then the local HUD office for some free rent, and on over to the gummint bank for some cash? That’s pretty much it, minus the caricature aspect. > [@](#): > > These services are coordinated through the Department of Social Services. Even if the office for a service is located in a building other than the Department of Social Services, it’s still the through the same agency. That’s not correct. (In fact the government sometimes gives some of them to private non-profit agencies.) > [@](#): > > The point of the post was to dispel the myth that people don’t work and live on welfare. Have you looked at the average food stamp allotment given to a family of three in various states? In Alabama it is $277.00 a month. With the exception of disability, there are no government handouts that permit a person or family to live without working. Yet again: there are any number of social programs. You can’t point to the dollar amount of just one of them and pretend that this is the level of support a person “on welfare” gets. (In addition to the aforementioned rent, utilities & medical care, food itself is also frequently subsidized by the WIC program.) > [@](#): > > Bold is mine You might have also bolded some of the exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/245 "2009-04-03T15:27:31Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > This argument fails miserably when you take into account that Many countries in the world, including Europe and Asia have _much_ higher population density that America. So, some Americans saying “we do not want to share our space” is not an argument, although it is indicative of selfishness. Not to mention that it is an argument immigrants have no reason or obligation to abide by. But we decided as a nation we don’t want to live the way Europeans do. Why must we live the way they do? I say again, there is no human right to live in the United States. Or Australia (try sneaking into there and see what happens). ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/246 "2009-04-03T15:31:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Quoted and color-emphasized for irony. At least he writes better English than the illegals who haven’t bothered to learn any. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/247 "2009-04-03T15:36:19Z")
> [@lalenin](#): > > Glad to see you take such a calm, reasoned approach to the discussion. It says volumes about you. He was loud but accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/248 "2009-04-03T15:40:34Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > No, it’s not.. > [@UW article](#): > > As a professor of German who has extensively studied European immigrant languages in the Midwest, Salmons discovered there was little direct research available about whether this “learn English or bust” ethic really existed. > > To research the topic, Salmons and recent UW-Madison German Ph.D. graduate Miranda Wilkerson delved into census data, newspapers, books, court records and other materials to help document the linguistic experience of German immigrants in Wisconsin from 1839 to the 1930s. Their paper appears in the current issue of the journal American Speech. > > Focusing on German immigrants was a logical choice, Salmons says, since they represented the biggest immigration wave to Wisconsin in the mid-1800s, “and they really fit this classic view of the ‘good old immigrants’ of the 19th century.” The question was whether our venerated ancestors all learned English, dammit!, when they got here. This study set out to see if that was true. It is not. ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8797f3/32.png) [@Ocean\_Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ocean_Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/249 "2009-04-03T15:44:21Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > No, it’s not.That’s pretty much it, minus the caricature aspect.That’s not correct. (In fact the government sometimes gives some of them to private non-profit agencies.) What exactly is offered through private organizations and charity? Child Care? pre K? Well, you are not willing to engage in honest discourse. You offer no evidence to support your claims and expect everyone else to do the heavy lifting. Believe a false reality propagated by the wingnuts on cable TV and blogs. It is clear this entire exchange has been fucking pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/250 "2009-04-03T15:59:23Z")
> [@niblet\_head](#): > > The question was whether our venerated ancestors all learned English, dammit!, when they got here. This study set out to see if that was true. It is not. The study proved that if you lived in an isolated rural community, where almost everyone spoke the same foreign language as you did, you did not necessarily learn English. That is not typical of the situation of immigrants at that time or later. (It might have been typical of immigrants to Wisconsis at that time, but that’s not our discussion.) > [@Ocean\_Annie](#): > > What exactly is offered through private organizations and charity? Child Care? pre K? HUD vouchers, for example. (The one in my hometown is, as it happens.) > [@](#): > > You offer no evidence to support your claims and expect everyone else to do the heavy lifting. Actually, the fact is that I base my position here on pretty much first hand knowledge. I know very well literally dozen and dozens of people who are or have been supported by these programs over the years, (& a few who have worked for social agencies administering them) and I am extremely well acquainted with the practical details of how these things work. The type of things you say are impressive to people who only know of these matters casually, based on what they’ve read in articles or in propaganda put out by advocates of one side or another. But for me, it’s like telling me that in America you drive on the left side of the street. Not the type of knowledge that lends itself to cites, even if I had the interest. But fortunately, this understanding makes it easy to refute the misleading claims put out by people like yourself, as I’ve done here. > [@](#): > > It is clear this entire exchange has been fucking pointless. That’s probably true. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/251 "2009-04-03T16:41:48Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > Exactly; it is not a human right to live in the United States. Bullshit. I’m guessing you were born here with certain unalienable rights endowed by your creator, right? You believe that all men are created equal, right? Or does none of that apply to anyone born outside an imaginary line? “Only those are good citizens of the intellectual world who give to every other human being every right that they claim for themselves, and only those are traitors in the great realm of thought who abandon reason and appeal to force.” - Robert Ingersoll “You shall not wrong an alien, neither shall you oppress him, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” - Exodus 22:21 “Foreigners living among you will be like your own people. Love them as you love yourself, because you were foreigners living in Egypt.” - Leviticus 19:34 We are ALL immigrants. We are all one. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/252 "2009-04-03T16:47:19Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > The study proved that if you lived in an isolated rural community, where almost everyone spoke the same foreign language as you did, you did not necessarily learn English. That is not typical of the situation of immigrants at that time or later. (It might have been typical of immigrants to Wisconsis at that time, but that’s not our discussion.) It’s not our discussion? There is no “OUR” in that discussion. It was in response to billfish678, which you obviously missed. Cite that second wave immigrants did not live in enclaves where their daily lives were not conducted in their native tongue? Remember, billfish678 didn’t say only rural immigrants didn’t learn English. His belief was that they all learned English or they suffered. Can you show this is true? Can you show that not living in areas where everyone spoke the same foreign language as you was not typical? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/253 "2009-04-03T16:58:33Z")
> [@niblet\_head](#): > > It’s not our discussion? There is no “OUR” in that discussion. It was in response to billfish678, which you obviously missed. No, actually it is you who are confused. The study was cited by **liberty3701** (post #232) and I responded to him. I did not address you. If you feel that my comments don’t relate to your separate exchange with billfish678, you can refrain from participating in this exchange and stick to haranguing billfish. But don’t jump into an exchange between two other people and castigate someone because comments that were not directed to you and didn’t refer to you fail to refute your position. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/254 "2009-04-03T17:26:20Z")
I’m the poster who posted reference to that site first, dumbass. Remember, you tried to refute liberty by saying a) that it had already been referenced (by me, dumbass) and that b) it didn’t prove what you had requested? God do you have any reading comprehension skills at all? YOU brought it up that it was not relevant to the discussion, but you were wrong as to which discusssion it was referencing. Then you admit you haven’t even read the damn thing, so how would you know? You yourself are referencing converstations/interactions that don’t have anything to do with you. I mean, if you can’t keep straight what’s going on in multi-page thread… Perhaps this is not the message board for you. Oh, and by the way, stop stating opinions and then when posters respond to you say that what you said wasn’t what you said. Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![lalenin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@lalenin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lalenin)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/255 "2009-04-03T17:27:12Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > He was loud but accurate. No, he was an asshole, it seems like attracts like. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/256 "2009-04-03T17:34:45Z")
God, what the hell am I doing getting hopped up in an immigration thread. Like facts are goign to change the minds of people who refer to human beings as “illegals”. Or don’t want to consider facts, period. Fuck it. I’m done with posting to this thread (like anybody cares) unless I can post some facts, in accordance with my personal standards about immigration threads. Sigh. Weak I am. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/257 "2009-04-03T17:35:49Z")
> [@niblet\_head](#): > > Remember, you tried to refute liberty by saying a) that it had already been referenced this is not true. I did mention that it had been previously cited. The refutation followed. > [@](#): > > and that b) it didn’t prove what you had requested? That’s true. What of it? > [@](#): > > YOU brought it up that it was not relevant to the discussion, but you were wrong as to which discusssion it was referencing. It wasn’t relevant to the discussion with the person who cited it, and to whom I directed my comments. > [@](#): > > stop stating opinions and then when posters respond to you say that what you said wasn’t what you said. This has not occurred. In general, this seems to be generating more heat than light on your end. I don’t anticipate responding further unless you actually say something substantive. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/258 "2009-04-03T18:09:08Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > An argument is not empty just because you say it is. You don’t even give reasons to support your opinion, just your word. Who the hell are you? I’m the not idiot in this exchange. And I DID give you the reason why your trite, platitudinous argument is empty. Please reread. > [@Cisco](#): > > And we don’t owe Mexicans a debt of gratitude? They BUILT the southwest. Literally. Actually, you probably don’t mean “literally”. Regardless, their contribution to “building the Southwest” amounts to knowing the native plants and how to get water out of a cactus. What the fuck did they “build” of any significance? Just look at the 13 Colonies in say, 1775, and the Southwest. > [@Cisco](#): > > They didn’t know about irrigation. Absolutely unbelievable. Definitely one of the most astoundingly stupid and ignorant things to EVER appear on these boards. Or ANY board. Congratulations. > [@Cisco](#): > > They didn’t know about farming this soil or mining in these hills. They learned all that from the Mexicans. Again, unbelievable. Maybe you’re correct in that they didn’t know about farming “this” soil. But that’s because they never encountered it. Big fucking deal. Your mining claim makes even less sense as a “point.” > [@Cisco](#): > > The market did decide what those jobs were worth, and Americans don’t want them.Why? Why do you want to deny them opportunities that you did NOTHING to earn (assuming you were born here like I was)? Do you bother reading the words on the page? The status of the illegals caused fair market wages to be artificially suppressed. Remove that and farmers and other groups would have to raise wages until the jobs were attractive to workers. THAT determines the true value of a task. I deny them that to which they have no right to. Those jobs belong to Americans. And with the rising unemployment rate all jobs are becoming more attractive. You have heard of supply and demand haven’t you? If it turns out we do have a shortage of workers, I’m all for starting a guest worker program and expanding legal immigration. Until then, how do you say “Stay the fuck out” in Spanish? > [@Cisco](#): > > Again, who the hell are you and why should I trust your word? Give me a reason to doubt it. There are hundreds more that agree with it, I assure you. I guess I’m the one who doesn’t think embracing a fallacy of the masses is anything to announce to the world. But hey, you’re different. Again, if you think your cite is credible and unbiased your brain is turned off. Oh, your attempt to paint those who oppose illegal immigration as racist is also bullshit. Are you not aware that there are many Mexicans and other Hispanics who feel that way? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/259 "2009-04-03T18:45:14Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Bullshit. I’m guessing you were born here with certain unalienable rights endowed by your creator, right? You believe that all men are created equal, right? Or does none of that apply to anyone born outside an imaginary line? The phrase you cite is a philosophical statement as to where rights come from. It has nothing to do with the concept of statehood. Do they come from a King, a man, in which case they can be taken away as easily as they are granted? Or do they come from something or someplace that exists on a higher realm, in which case it is not the provence of any man to grant them or retract them. Then as you move down that same document you find the phrase “To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”.". So the government, which you’ve elected to represent you, is there to ensure that those rights are not trampled upon or threatened. Again, this has little to do with the concept of statehood, or citizenship, which predates the DofI. It’ a fair an open question to ask if and how someone who resides outside the state’s boundaries can join that state. But the final decision must reside with the state. If not, their is no boundary that defines the state and those who wander in may not agree with its laws are seek to do it harm. So immigration processes pop up to allow people to be part of a society other than that into which they were born. Follow those steps and you will be welcomed. Skirt those steps and sneak in and you’re here illegally and deserve to be immediately removed. You certainly are not entitled to any of the benefits of that society. > [@Cisco](#): > > “Only those are good citizens of the intellectual world who give to every other human being every right that they claim for themselves, and only those are traitors in the great realm of thought who abandon reason and appeal to force.” - Robert Ingersoll We are willing to extend to others all those rights we enjoy. IF they come here LEGALLY. Would you treat a guest in your house the same way you treat a person who broke in? > [@Cisco](#): > > “You shall not wrong an alien, neither shall you oppress him, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” - Exodus 22:21 > > “Foreigners living among you will be like your own people. Love them as you love yourself, because you were foreigners living in Egypt.” - Leviticus 19:34 This applies beautifully to LEGAL aliens. > [@Cisco](#): > > We are ALL immigrants. We are all one. And still with your empty bullshit platitudes. Countries exist. And that is a good thing, as it allows a people to self-determine the type of society they want to live in. Countries’ borders, their sovereignty, needs to be respected. why is it that you have so little respect for laws? Now, how about a real argument as to what you think should be done and why instead of these bumper stickers you keep serving up to ill effect. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600/260 "2009-04-03T19:39:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m the not idiot in this exchange. And I DID give you the reason why your trite, platitudinous argument is empty. Please reread. > > Actually, you probably don’t mean “literally”. Regardless, their contribution to “building the Southwest” amounts to knowing the native plants and how to get water out of a cactus. What the fuck did they “build” of any significance? Just look at the 13 Colonies in say, 1775, and the Southwest. > > Absolutely unbelievable. Definitely one of the most astoundingly stupid and ignorant things to EVER appear on these boards. Or ANY board. Congratulations. > > Again, unbelievable. Maybe you’re correct in that they didn’t know about farming “this” soil. But that’s because they never encountered it. Big fucking deal. Your mining claim makes even less sense as a “point.” Wooooowwwww, just wow. You know nothing, guy, NOTHING about that of which you speak. You’re a jerk who’s right because you say you’re right. You think Anglos knew how to build irrigation systems in the desert? You really believe that so strongly that to say otherwise is “Absolutely unbelievable. Definitely one of the most astoundingly stupid and ignorant things to EVER appear on these boards. Or ANY board”? PLEASE explain that before going any further. I can’t wait to hear this one. I can’t wait to hear how people who worried about how to keep their plants _dry_ magically knew how to effectively harness the precious little water in the desert to keep their crops alive. I guess god divinely imparted that wisdom on them because they are the pure, chosen people, right? You think hispanics built nothing in the southwest? Holy shit, man. And you’re calling _me_ stupid? You’re blinded by your hate for those who aren’t like you. > [@magellan01](#): > > This applies beautifully to LEGAL aliens. Why, because you say it does? You’re one cocky, hateful, presumptuous prick, you know that? > [@magellan01](#): > > Actually, you probably don’t mean “literally”. You don’t know shit from shinola, much less what I mean. Take the difference between what was empty land thousands of years ago and what is today “the southwestern United States.” They built that. Literally. Still do today, in fact. Go look at the guys hammering nails in roofs around here, or working on the canals, or paving roads. Hispanic. Asshole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-njs-soon-to-be-illegal-immigrant-help/491600.md?page=14)