# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/181 "2012-06-24T02:29:40Z")
Wouldn’t it be a trivially simple matter for her to send confidential identifying info to a moderator who could then confirm to the board that she is who she says she is? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/182 "2012-06-24T02:30:04Z")
> [@PandaBear77](#): > > FWIW, I ran quite a few of **Umkay’s** posts through the Gender Guesser (to the tune of over 20,000 words). It found her words to be written by a female, although it said “weak female.” To be fair, though – I ran a lot of my posts through the same thing and it also said weak female (and I assure you, I’m ALL female). That gender guesser is a piece of shit, IMO. I ran posts of several 101% verified XX females through and it said all except one were male, and that one was “weak female.” ---
**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/183 "2012-06-24T02:38:15Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Wouldn’t it be a trivially simple matter for her to send confidential identifying info to a moderator who could then confirm to the board that she is who she says she is? That won’t be happening. Because she’s a liar and a fake. Simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/184 "2012-06-24T02:39:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait – she skydives? (Or did she speak about doing that before her accident? I’m not going through that entire saga again) Yeah, I believe she said she’s gone skydiving. And it was after her accident. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/185 "2012-06-24T02:39:54Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Wouldn’t it be a trivially simple matter for her to send confidential identifying info to a moderator who could then confirm to the board that she is who she says she is? Yes but why the hell would the moderators even begin to want to get involved in such asinine nonsense? Why would **umkay** , if real, waste even one second of time on this? What a ridiculous exercise. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/186 "2012-06-24T02:44:57Z")
You know what bugs me? Not the many theories of why Umkay could be a troll (we know notokay was). Some of them are rather insightful and clever and bring up points that never crossed my mind. What bugs me is all the assholes who are also 100 percent sure they are right (and being god damn turds about it). If Umkay turns out to be real I’ll be reminding some of you assholes about it till the day you or I get banned from here. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/187 "2012-06-24T02:49:31Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I think there is a perfect solution to quell the doubters and educate everyone at the same time. umkay should have her caretaker take a short video of her computer screen while she composes an SDMB post with her voice control software. Do some special formatting, a quick edit: basically, just a quick demonstration of the same sort of posting dexterity she has already demonstrated thus far. Best of all, no identifying information has to be revealed. I don’t think it’s fair to ask someone to do that when you have yet to furnish proof that you are actually a giraffe. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/188 "2012-06-24T02:51:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Yes but why the hell would the moderators even begin to want to get involved in such asinine nonsense? Because that’s one of their main functions, to weed out trolls. > [@](#): > > Why would **umkay** , if real, waste even one second of time on this? What a ridiculous exercise. Because she knows that NotOkay has caused a lot of people to question what is real and what isn’t. It would take a couple of minutes at most for her to do. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/189 "2012-06-24T02:55:21Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Because that’s one of their main functions, to weed out trolls. > Because she knows that NotOkay has caused a lot of people to question what is real and what isn’t. It would take a couple of minutes at most for her to do. People post personal, and potentially verifiable, information here all the time. What an absurd precedent this would be, to ask someone to provide evidence they are who they say they are, when there’s no real evidence against them. I hope **umkay** refuses on principle, and if she goes along with the nonsense witch hunt, I hope mods refuse on principle. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/190 "2012-06-24T02:55:31Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Why would **umkay** , if real, waste even one second of time on this? What a ridiculous exercise. Well, I’m not commenting as to her authenticity here but if she _is_ real and she still wants to continue here at the Dope and be taken seriously, it would make sense for her to take part in such a ‘ridiculous exercise’. It’s unfortunate but true that it doesn’t look like there’s much way around it (or some other way of IDing herself) _ **if** _ she gives a shit whether or not a fair number of members here think she’s a fraud. Now I want to be clear that I think such an idea is terrible and ill-conceived BUT is also the only way to erase the doubt now instilled in many members heads. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/191 "2012-06-24T02:58:46Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well, I’m not commenting as to her authenticity here but if she _is_ real and she still wants to continue here at the Dope and be taken seriously, it would make sense for her to take part in such a ‘ridiculous exercise’. It’s unfortunate but true that it doesn’t look like there’s much way around it (or some other way of IDing herself) _ **if** _ > she gives a shit whether or not a fair number of members here think she’s a fraud. I disagree. If she wants to continue with her threads and that’s it, this might be necessary, though I’d still hope she’d refuse. If she wants to participate in other, unrelated threads, this is a totally unnecessary exercise. No one’s going to keep bringing this shit up in unrelated contexts. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/192 "2012-06-24T03:12:07Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > **SCI** -spinal cord injury. > > **DPW** -the abbreviation for those who fall under the spectrum of Devotee, Pretender and Wannabe. Of the three, Devotees are the most prevalent; followed by Pretenders and then Wannabees. These are the most extreme of them all; they will actually inflict harm upon themselves (self-mutilate) in order to achieve the disability that they feel they always ‘should have had’. Pretenders will, as the name implies, pretend to be disabled and use a wheelchair; sometimes living this way for as long as they can. Thanks. Yes, I’ve heard of “wannabees”. There’s some creepy motherfuckers out there. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/193 "2012-06-24T03:23:31Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait – she skydives? (Or did she speak about doing that before her accident? I’m not going through that entire saga again) Yes. Obviously a lie. it’s impossible for a quadriplegic to skydive, after all. Look what happened to [this guy](http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-01/news/29859980_1_skydiver-secondary-chute-quadriplegic). He died. Granted it took him 125 jumps, but I think it proves the point quite convincingly that any quadriplegic who claims to have gone skydiving is full of it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/194 "2012-06-24T03:31:57Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > I asked her about a site for devotees, and she found it,“weird”. Well, hell, I can probably find a dozen of those with Google and 5 minutes to search. Yeah, **umkay** could be a hoax. She could also be the real deal. I’ve seen people with SCI skydive with a tandem rig and an able-bodied guide. I’ve known a quad who worked full time to support himself and was financially well off. People in wheelchairs have sex - a cousin of mine married a quad and between the two of them they had six kids. I had a boss who wasn’t paralyzed but had messed-up hands and used dictation software. None of what **umkay** has posted is beyond possibility. I’ve been the object of internet skepticism myself, complete with demands to post pictures and such and you know what? _No proof is ever enough_. There will always be someone popping up with an “explanation” that requires further proof (that wasn’t you in that pic, you hired a stand in, that sort of thing). Meanwhile, with more and more personal information revealed the bullies and vultures can move in for some focused harassment. I can’t help but think there are some self-righteous truth-seekers out there so focused on debunking they won’t hesitate to level unfounded accusations and make the innocent miserable. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/195 "2012-06-24T03:33:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. Obviously a lie. it’s impossible for a quadriplegic to skydive, after all. > > Look what happened to [this guy](http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-01/news/29859980_1_skydiver-secondary-chute-quadriplegic). He died. > > Granted it took him 125 jumps, but I think it proves the point quite convincingly that any quadriplegic who claims to have gone skydiving is full of it. Unless this a whoosh, I assume she tandem jumped? ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/196 "2012-06-24T03:37:20Z")
Ok, I will arm-wrestle her if she’s real, if I win, she buys the drinks. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/197 "2012-06-24T03:37:39Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait – she skydives? (Or did she speak about doing that before her accident? I’m not going through that entire saga again) She went “skydiving” in the sense she was strapped to another human being who was doing the actual work during the dive. This may sound outlandish to some, but I have with my own eyes see this sort of thing occur, along with blind people skydiving, amputees skydiving, etc. Nothing **umkay** has claimed to have done is impossible for a quad to do, even if some of it is unusual but if she is, indeed, wealthy that would allow her freedom a quad living in poverty just wouldn’t have. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/198 "2012-06-24T03:40:58Z")
Another angle of the super-knowledgeable troll would be a professional caretaker or a close relative of a quad. Who else would know all of the details of being a quad while at the same time being emotionally drawn to wanting to be fawned over like the patient/relative is? What better way to get a ton of love for someone who is feeling left out? I don’t know if **umkay** is a troll or not but the poster is dropping a lot of interesting info on us and not asking for anything in return so it doesn’t bother me. People fawning over her creeps me out but that’s their bag not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/199 "2012-06-24T03:42:29Z")
Why would you start this thread? Things it won’t achieve: making the troll take a good, long look at themselves and resolve to be a better person. Trollie will not sit in their cave thinking “Wow… I hurt actual people with my actions. I never intended to cause anyone pain. What have I done?!” Things it will achieve: further lulz! Look at the butthurt crybabies! So much payoff for so little effort! I’d like to introduce you to the acronym “DNFTT” which stands for “Do Not Feed The Trolls”. This thread = pure, organic, wholemeal, low-gi troll food with tasty butthurt sauce. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/200 "2012-06-24T03:44:07Z")
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