# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/201 "2012-06-24T03:44:07Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > _No proof is ever enough_. At least now we know that Obama is really umkay, but we still don’t know who the hell you are. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/202 "2012-06-24T03:45:12Z")
Can’t believe it took 4 pages for someone to (rightly) call me out for troll feeding. I plead guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/203 "2012-06-24T03:46:37Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Unless this a whoosh, I assume she tandem jumped? My point was expressed through sarcasm: I gave an example of a quadriplegic with over 100 jumps to his credit show it’s not suspicious that a quadriplegic claims to have gone skydiving. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/204 "2012-06-24T03:55:55Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Can’t believe it took 4 pages for someone to (rightly) call me out for troll feeding. I plead guilty. ?? More like 3 posts, unless I’m being wooshed … > [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > meh. It was a troll. Don’t feed it. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/205 "2012-06-24T03:58:29Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Because that’s one of their main functions, to weed out trolls. It’s not their job to satisfy your curiosity. > [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well, I’m not commenting as to her authenticity here but if she _is_ real and she still wants to continue here at the Dope and be taken seriously, it would make sense for her to take part in such a ‘ridiculous exercise’. It’s unfortunate but true that it doesn’t look like there’s much way around it (or some other way of IDing herself) _ **if** _ > she gives a shit whether or not a fair number of members here think she’s a fraud. And still people wouldn’t believe it. They’d pick apart whatever the Mods claimed and say that the proof was easily faked and so on. > [@](#): > > Now I want to be clear that I think such an idea is terrible and ill-conceived BUT is also the only way to erase the doubt now instilled in many members heads. I agree with the first part of this. I have no idea if she is real and I don’t really care except for idle curiosity. No one here deserved to know anything. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/206 "2012-06-24T04:15:40Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > II agree with the first part of this. I have no idea if she is real and I don’t really care except for idle curiosity. No one here deserved to know anything. That wasn’t what I was saying. Of course no one deserves to know anything. But realistically, many will not believe her unless she does this. _If_, and this is a big if, she wants to be taken seriously then what else would have to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/207 "2012-06-24T04:17:14Z")
Blah blah blah. It’s good to remember that anyone on an internet messageboard could lie about anything they say about themselves. And you may want to arrange your psyche in such a way so as to not let that bother you if you are going to participate. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/208 "2012-06-24T04:19:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Blah blah blah. It’s good to remember that anyone on an internet messageboard could lie about anything they say about themselves. And you may want to arrange your psyche in such a way so as to not let that bother you if you are going to participate. Something you want to share with us? ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/209 "2012-06-24T04:21:02Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > If Umkay turns out to be real I’ll be reminding some of you assholes about it till the day you or I get banned from here. Give a shit, you drooling fucking moron. Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/210 "2012-06-24T04:24:08Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Something you want to share with us? Yes. I’m actually much wealthier and more handsome than I’ve let on. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/211 "2012-06-24T04:25:44Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > That wasn’t what I was saying. Of course no one deserves to know anything. But realistically, many will not believe her unless she does this. _If_, and this is a big if, she wants to be taken seriously then what else would have to happen? I get what you are saying and I still think that it wouldn’t be enough for some. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/212 "2012-06-24T05:16:42Z")
In her “ask the” thread she talked about opening beer bottles with her teeth. Any comments from the belivers on how that could happen as a quad? Not likely that her handlers held it for her to prove she was a “BA” especially given that the posts immediately preceding that post were all about the importance of maintaining her teeth due to use of the mouth stick ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/213 "2012-06-24T05:27:18Z")
> [@keturah](#): > > In her “ask the” thread she talked about opening beer bottles with her teeth. Any comments from the belivers on how that could happen as a quad? Not likely that her handlers held it for her to prove she was a “BA” especially given that the posts immediately preceding that post were all about the importance of maintaining her teeth due to use of the mouth stick Well, I assume she has some kind of cupholder attachment, in the same vein as a sip/puff controller, that would allow her to drink from a straw without her caretaker holding her drink for her the entire time. It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine that you could adjust it a bit and put an unopened beer bottle in the cupholder. _does quick Google image search_ something like this: [http://www.tetrasociety.org/images/projects/2237/1.jpg](http://www.tetrasociety.org/images/projects/2237/1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/214 "2012-06-24T05:37:11Z")
> [@chizzuk](#): > > Well, I assume she has some kind of cupholder attachment, in the same vein as a sip/puff controller, that would allow her to drink from a straw without her caretaker holding her drink for her the entire time. It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine that you could adjust it a bit and put an unopened beer bottle in the cupholder. > > _does quick Google image search_ > > something like this: [http://www.tetrasociety.org/images/projects/2237/1.jpg](http://www.tetrasociety.org/images/projects/2237/1.jpg) Ok, now demonstrate how one would open it with one’s teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/215 "2012-06-24T05:38:12Z")
> [@keturah](#): > > In her “ask the” thread she talked about opening beer bottles with her teeth. Any comments from the belivers on how that could happen as a quad? Not likely that her handlers held it for her to prove she was a “BA” especially given that the posts immediately preceding that post were all about the importance of maintaining her teeth due to use of the mouth stick Can you find that post(s)? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/216 "2012-06-24T05:40:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. Obviously a lie. it’s impossible for a quadriplegic to skydive, after all. > > Look what happened to [this guy](http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-01/news/29859980_1_skydiver-secondary-chute-quadriplegic). He died. > > Granted it took him 125 jumps, but I think it proves the point quite convincingly that any quadriplegic who claims to have gone skydiving is full of it. Full of it? No. Unlikely? Considering everything else she’s told us, I’d say yes. Just one big fantastic tale. _shrugs_ ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/217 "2012-06-24T05:46:12Z")
The post by NotOk does nothing to cast doubt on umkay’s legitimacy. We don’t have any real proof of whether umkay is real or not, but her posts certainly seem authentic to a number of other people with direct experience with quadriplegia and the like. I certainly take people as who they say they are, when this is so. I was very upset at her reported death and feel some genuine affection for her, as I understand her. But, this is in the context of an internet forum; all of us are only typing things here. It is human to feel and show affection and other emotion for all kinds of poorly proven or even fictional things - we can cry at movies, after all. Why can’t genuine internet-level emotional caring just be what it is? I hereby agree to feel foolish about it if it turns out umkay wasn’t real. But, there IS real feeling here on the board sometimes. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s a GOOD thing. Making it all the way to your own death while keeping your heart unbroken is not some kind of clever victory. It’s more of a waste. Come on, is it that scary to buy into things somewhat? To wear your heart on your sleeve - I mean your post - a little sometimes? Is the threat of learning you’ve been taken so onerous that it makes staying cynical the wisest way to live? FWIW I was one of the people that private messaged umkay offering to help put it out there (as a long term poster) that she had some kind of proof, a photo or something. I did qualify the suggestion as seeming a bit like something out of a “spy movie”, and saw those couple words in her linked comment, so I can verify that that part of the comment does correspond to at least one pm. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/218 "2012-06-24T05:55:52Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Can you find that post(s)? They failed to mention that she was answering a question about if she had any stories of times she did something on her own out of sheer determination, like opening a bottle of wine or baking a cake. She answered that she once drank an entire bottle of wine but doubted she could have opened it, and she had opened a beer bottle with her teeth and gone sky diving She mentioned several times when asked about drinking and if her carers were involved in it, that she had friends and four brothers to help her drink if she wanted to. > [@](#): > > ``` > Originally Posted by **fifty-six** [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15084831#post15084831) > Do you have any fun stories of things you have done/tried on your own out of determination, like cook a meal or bake a cake find a way to open a bottle of wine and drink it all? > > ``` > [@Ask the Girl in the Wheelchair](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-girl-in-the-wheelchair/622436/102): > > While I’ve definitely drunk a whole bottle of wine before, I don’t think I’ll ever manage to open the bottle on my own. 😉 Ditto cook a meal or bake a cake. Nevertheless, I can open a beer bottle with my teeth, I can do a pretty decent caricature sketch of just about anyone with a pencil held in my mouth, I’ve been skydiving, and I’m definitely doing SCUBA this summer. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/219 "2012-06-24T06:11:01Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Can you find that post(s)? Post 262 in the “ask” thread. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/220 "2012-06-24T06:19:18Z")
> [@chizzuk](#): > > Well, I assume she has some kind of cupholder attachment, in the same vein as a sip/puff controller, that would allow her to drink from a straw without her caretaker holding her drink for her the entire time. It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine that you could adjust it a bit and put an unopened beer bottle in the cupholder. > > _does quick Google image search_ > > something like this: [http://www.tetrasociety.org/images/projects/2237/1.jpg](http://www.tetrasociety.org/images/projects/2237/1.jpg) Even if it were possible, why when her caretakers put it there wouldn’t it be opened? Her teeth are very important to her, remember? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=12)