# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/381 "2012-06-25T04:28:55Z")
This is quite entertaining. We didn’t have internet trolls when I was a kid, and I had to walk the proverbial 20 miles in the snow to school every day. What a wonderful world we live in. I’m not going to lie and say “I _KNEW_ something was fishy!” in the early days of the **umkay** posting, although in my defense I did not read the whole thread and missed the claims about scuba diving or skydiving. (Did she really say that she did those things? Or am I misinterpreting what I’ve been reading? I hope I’d have the sense to be suspicious of those claims, but who knows.) Anyway, I admit to having taken the story at face value until the Notokay post. One thing I did note that I haven’t noticed anyone mention - the **umkay** persona does not write like a 26 year old; it is the voice of someone older (not necessarily mature, just … older). When I fell for the troll but noted the discrepancy between stated age and writing style, I thought “hmm, well … when the rest of us are out there hiking or cooking dinner or otherwise not practicing our writing skills, she is most likely writing, reading, or talking, since those are the primary ways she can engage with the world. So she sounds like a more experienced writer because she’s done more writing than most people her age.” Did anyone else notice the age issue? (Umkay, if you are reading this, take note so you can troll even more effectively next time. Either choose an older character, or study the writing of the young before you post.) ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/382 "2012-06-25T04:30:04Z")
If you Google “Ask the…” type of questions, you’ll find lots of hits. There’s nothing that **umkay** told us that we couldn’t have Googled ourselves. [Vids, too.](http://www.facingdisability.com/spinal-cord-injury-stories/carrie/all) As far as the personal sex stuff? You can find it in threads or articles. Or maybe **umkay** knows someone. Or maybe there’s a girl with a carer that’s really fucked in the head and she’s posing as her charge. I donno. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/383 "2012-06-25T04:30:16Z")
I wonder where all these “rich bankers” come from? Everyone I’ve ever known who worked for a bank or was in the banking industry, even at the VP level, didn’t make all _that_ much. (I confess I’m getting this mental image of bewhiskered J.P. Morgan character riding in his chauffeured R.E.O. horseless carriage, beating his manservant with his 100-carat diamond-tipped cane, exclaiming “Oh stuff and bother, we’ve run over another child! Damn your worthless hide, Alexander! Toss them a bag of gold and let’s be on our way!”) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/384 "2012-06-25T04:33:54Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Oh, for fuck’s sake. A “slangy username” is evidence now? Gee, you must’ve missed the ten other similarities in their biographies I mentioned. Plus the fake death/near-death dealie, the true feather in the cap of any good faker. > [@gonzoron](#): > > I read 4 or 5 of those posts and “sezyoo” sounds nothing like umkay. I can accept that a caught faker would learn from their mistakes and not post pics, but I can’t accept that they’d change their whole phrasing and style. umkay says “carers,” sezyoo says “attendants.” Both say both. Read more. > [@](#): > > umkay says “f\*cked,” sezyoo says “effed”. Would a troll really make such mundane changes when reappearing on a different board? I’m not buying it. It’s a mommy board. Of _course_ s/he’s going to change posting styles. Boards like that are much “softer” and likely to forbid cursing. Here at the SDMB we can say fuck all we want, so s/he’s more open. And if you don’t think a troll can change styles as s/he moves through different communities, you’ve never been a board admin. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/385 "2012-06-25T04:35:14Z")
The descriptions of her orgasms are virtually the same. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/386 "2012-06-25T04:36:25Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > I wonder where all these “rich bankers” come from? Everyone I’ve ever known who worked for a bank or was in the banking industry, even at the VP level, didn’t make all _that_ much. > > (I confess I’m getting this mental image of bewhiskered J.P. Morgan character riding in his chauffeured R.E.O. horseless carriage, beating his manservant with his 100-carat diamond-tipped cane, exclaiming “Oh stuff and bother, we’ve run over another child! Damn your worthless hide, Alexander! Toss them a bag of gold and let’s be on our way!”) No kidding. And someone in her condition would need millions of dollars to keep up that lifestyle. Doesn’t she have a house or apartment on the ‘grounds’? I found her suspicious for awhile and Googled the shit out of what I knew but found nothing. Lack of evidence doesn’t make someone guilty, though. Still…if someone pings your BS meter…it makes sense to prove them wrong. And she doesn’t want to. It’s possible she’s telling the truth and will just disappear because she’s “better than that”. No worries. I can’t figure out why everyone is so up in arms about it. Oh, wait, she’s a quad. So we have to treat her like a child. Fuck that. She may or may not be able-bodied, but she’s able-brained. And on the Dope, brains count. This is why we don’t have avatars. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/387 "2012-06-25T04:36:46Z")
> [@CyclopticXander](#): > > Or just be nice to the good people who took something valuable from that thread. Yea they were duped, but to be fair it was an extremely convincing hoax and it did actually provide something of value. It _wasn’t_ an extremely convincing hoax. It was more or less textbook. The whole incident is so absurdly tailored toward getting a rise out of people. She’s a young, rich, beautiful disabled girl who discusses her sexuality in an open and frank way, encouraging people to ask her questions, responding to almost everything with, “Oh, well thank you! Now that’s an interesting question! Here’s my response! Also, here’s a cute joke. Look at me, cute! Cute!” It’s like the people who fell for it are wholly unfamiliar with how people behave on the internet. It was a bare-faced thing she did. It practically sang, “I’m a fraud!” ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/388 "2012-06-25T04:39:02Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > (I confess I’m getting this mental image of bewhiskered J.P. Morgan character riding in his chauffeured R.E.O. horseless carriage, beating his manservant with his 100-carat diamond-tipped cane, exclaiming “Oh stuff and bother, we’ve run over another child! Damn your worthless hide, Alexander! Toss them a bag of gold and let’s be on our way!”) That sounds oddly like what what Peter Griffin would have a dream sequence about if he ran into a little bit of money…perhaps growing out a stach, getting a monocle, a horseless carriage and mowing down kids in the gutter so he can say things like 'oh stuff and bother" and tossing bags of gold at them" ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/389 "2012-06-25T04:39:53Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I read 4 or 5 of those posts and “sezyoo” sounds nothing like umkay. I can accept that a caught faker would learn from their mistakes and not post pics, but I can’t accept that they’d change their whole phrasing and style. umkay says “carers,” sezyoo says “attendants.” umkay says “f\*cked,” sezyoo says “effed”. Would a troll really make such mundane changes when reappearing on a different board? I’m not buying it. I thought that at first, too. The thing that sold me was here: [Pregnancy, Parenting and Baby Community & Forums](http://www.whattoexpect.com/forums/may-2012-babies/topic/sezyoo-question?page=3) She uses “KWIM” - that really caught my eye when umkay used it, because I had _no idea_ what it meant, until I sort of worked it out after the 30th time. There are other stylistic similarities, but this was the smoking gun for me. ---
**Author:** ![laughingboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@laughingboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/laughingboy)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/390 "2012-06-25T04:42:13Z")
Hmmm, someone pretends to be handicapped and tells a mesmerizing story. Sounds familiar… **umkay + sezyoo ---------\> um, yo kay(ser) soze** :eek: And like that _poof_ (s)he’s gone! ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/391 "2012-06-25T04:42:48Z")
> [@CyclopticXander](#): > > But hey I do agree that she did dispense good helpful information for what it’s worth. There’s nothing wrong with being inspired by that story even if it was fake, same as being inspired by a fictional movie story like that. It is not the same. _Fiction_ is not _lies_. Not only do people rightly resent being taken once, the natural tendency is to be a little suspicious of similar stories elsewhere. The fake-charity scam makes it harder for the genuine cause. ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/392 "2012-06-25T04:42:52Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > It’s like the people who fell for it are wholly unfamiliar with how people behave on the internet. It was a bare-faced thing she did. It practically sang, “I’m a fraud!” For reals. Maybe some people don’t have as much Fandom Wank et al in their diet as the rest of us, but how people could not see this blatant bullshit is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/393 "2012-06-25T04:42:55Z")
**needscoffee** , re: the orgasm description similarities. Because I’m a fair person, I’ll play devil’s advocate for a moment. (Not that s/he needs one since I’m sure **Bricker** or some other advocate for the defense will come up with plenty of “buts…”) I’d imagine a quad’s description of an orgasm, if it’s basically “mental” or facial, will be fairly similar. Meanwhile, I found the descriptions of hunger very very different. **sezyoo** feels lightheaded or woozy; **umkay** feels hunger pangs in the back of her throat. Switching back to the prosecution table re: the hunger thing: It’s quite possible the thirtysomething basement-dwelling pretender RPGing these characters just found the intriguing “hunger in back of throat” description on one of the SCI forums he gets off on (maybe [apparelyzed.com](http://apparelyzed.com)) and updated his latest character sheet. ---
**Author:** ![CyclopticXander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CyclopticXander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyclopticXander)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/394 "2012-06-25T04:45:47Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > It _wasn’t_ an extremely convincing hoax. It was more or less textbook. > > The whole incident is so absurdly tailored toward getting a rise out of people. She’s a young, rich, beautiful disabled girl who discusses her sexuality in an open and frank way, encouraging people to ask her questions, responding to almost everything with, “Oh, well thank you! Now that’s an interesting question! Here’s my response! Also, here’s a cute joke. Look at me, cute! Cute!” > > It’s like the people who fell for it are wholly unfamiliar with how people behave on the internet. It was a bare-faced thing she did. It practically sang, “I’m a fraud!” Ok so you are super smart in the ways of the internet fraud and some people aren’t. All I was saying is I hope there aren’t a lot of people lording it over others. Kinda like you are doing now. I know you don’t HAVE to be nice in the pit though, So I guess keep the “I told you so” coming. ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/395 "2012-06-25T04:46:02Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I’m not going to lie and say “I _KNEW_ something was fishy!” in the early days of the **umkay** posting, although in my defense I did not read the whole thread and missed the claims about scuba diving or skydiving. (Did she really say that she did those things? Or am I misinterpreting what I’ve been reading? I hope I’d have the sense to be suspicious of those claims, but who knows.) She said she’d skydived and she had plans to scuba dive. > [@](#): > > Anyway, I admit to having taken the story at face value until the Notokay post. I mostly did too but I was starting to think her incessant perkiness and posting style was annoying and seemed contrived. But I thought maybe it was just me being a Negative Nelly who should try to stop disliking perky people so much. > [@](#): > > One thing I did note that I haven’t noticed anyone mention - the **umkay** persona does not write like a 26 year old; it is the voice of someone older (not necessarily mature, just … older). True, and she kind of posted like an older person trying to sound younger, with her terms like “BA” (badass) and “get my dance on, yo” and whatever else she said. Not that I don’t use stupid young people terms sometimes too, mostly semi-jokingly, but something about how she did it just seemed fake. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/396 "2012-06-25T04:49:34Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > That sounds oddly like what what Peter Griffin would have a dream sequence about if he ran into a little bit of money…perhaps growing out a stach, getting a monocle, a horseless carriage and mowing down kids in the gutter so he can say things like 'oh stuff and bother" and tossing bags of gold at them" And he would have a silk top hat. And possibly a blue sash diagonally across his chest with gold letters, exclaiming RICH BANKER. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/397 "2012-06-25T04:50:41Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **needscoffee** , re: the orgasm description similarities. Because I’m a fair person, I’ll play devil’s advocate for a moment. (Not that s/he needs one since I’m sure **Bricker** or some other advocate for the defense will come up with plenty of “buts…”) > > I’d imagine a quad’s description of an orgasm, if it’s basically “mental” or facial, will be fairly similar.\ True, though I should have included that it was also written in virtually the same voice. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/398 "2012-06-25T04:52:00Z")
> [@Blackberry](#): > > I was starting to think her incessant perkiness and posting style was annoying and seemed contrived. But I thought maybe it was just me being a Negative Nelly who should try to stop disliking perky people so much. OMG I feel ya here!! Holy shit it was irritating. ---
**Author:** ![CyclopticXander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CyclopticXander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyclopticXander)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/399 "2012-06-25T04:54:46Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > It is not the same. _Fiction_ is not _lies_. Not only do people rightly resent being taken once, the natural tendency is to be a little suspicious of similar stories elsewhere. The fake-charity scam makes it harder for the genuine cause. Oh come on fiction is lies, we just know so going it. Acting is lying, but we make it a profession because we get some value out of seeing fake people in fake situations and relating it to ourselves. I in no way condone what he/she did, it was a real shitty thing to do. But hey it’s the internet, we’re supposed to have our walls up around here anyway. I would be more hellfire and brimstone about it it it WERE a fake-charity scam in the sense of getting money or something out of it, but what happened is some troll got their thrills and some people get some real information that they didn’t know. I know that some people got emotionally invested as well and I feel bad about that, that’s why He/She is such a cunt. Also I don’t think anybody is going to be more hard hearted after this. If they cared about a disabled person here then they will continue to care about disabled people, but maybe be a little more discerning. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/400 "2012-06-25T04:56:06Z")
> [@CyclopticXander](#): > > Ok so you are super smart in the ways of the internet fraud and some people aren’t. All I was saying is I hope there aren’t a lot of people lording it over others. Kinda like you are doing now. I know you don’t HAVE to be nice in the pit though, So I guess keep the “I told you so” coming. It’s not a matter of people not being hip to “internet fraud.” It’s a matter of people accepting a story that strains credulity. It’s a matter of common sense. The phrase “you have to take it with a grain of salt” didn’t originate with someone pretending to be a quad on an internet forum. For a place that prides itself on intelligence and skepticism, it’s more than a little embarrassing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=21)