# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/541 "2012-06-25T15:40:14Z")
> [@Jman](#): > > Come on, now. I have not done any defending of umkay since the new evidence has been brought to light. I have been defending myself (and probably making more trouble for myself as well). And, well, if being a skeptic of the skeptics is my worst transgression, I’ll live with that. I was referring more to your continued attempts to paint calling someone a troll on a message board as some grand miscarriage of justice. It wouldn’t be, even if it were not true. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/542 "2012-06-25T15:41:41Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Oh my God. Bricker, you are just “suspicious” at this point? I know it must be embarrassing for you because you pretty much went all-in for umkay’s story, but a lot of other people did too. There’s no shame in it. Cut your losses now, dude. Yup. I’m just suspicious now. Maybe it’s the defense lawyer in me, but I think you’d agree that if umkay posted tonight and said, “Look, I’m not responsible for what some idiots said on another board, and the details you’re seizing on are superficial. But I get the skepticism, and I’ll just hold off on discussing wheelchairs and catheters for now,” and spent the next month being a contributing poster… surely you’d regard that as meaningful, yes? And I clearly acknowledge that if instead she simply never posts again, then it’s pretty clear there was a connection. So is there some reason I have to commit to a more definitive position now? ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/543 "2012-06-25T15:46:41Z")
The next month? No. Honestly, after a whole year of contributing regular non-troll posts to the Dope, I might – MIGHT – consider her a useful poster here, but I still won’t believe that she didn’t make up all that crap about being quadriplegic, the rich family, the devote boyfriend, etc. She was trolling us. She got caught out. Accept it. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/544 "2012-06-25T15:47:14Z")
> [@Farmer\_Jane](#): > > I’m not convinced that **sezyoo** is **umkay** but I still think **umkay** is a troll. She knew too much about how the board works. I think it’s someone that “knows” the Dope already. Can I be honest? For a split second, I thought it **umkay** might have been you. 🙂 Unbelievably, I have to place myself in the **Bricker** camp here. I have serious doubts about **umkay’s** non-trolliness, given the evidence that’s been presented. I do know, though, that the only real way to dismiss doubts (for some of the more gullible among us) is to at least respond in some way. I definitely enjoyed the “Ask the…” thread. I thought it was a little sycophantic at points. I’m not gonna be all “some of my best friends are…” but I’ve known enough people with disabilities that I’m usually more surprised by those who throw in the towel and give up on life rather than those who soldier on like everyone else. One thing is certain, though - **Broomstick** definitely helped a poster whose dad was suffering in a VA hospital. So that’s one positive of the whole thing. I’m pretty impressed with the research skills of some Dopers. Unless… this is a contrivance created to get me to say how impressed I am with your ability to root out trolls! Oh man. I need to sit down. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/545 "2012-06-25T15:49:41Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Unbelievably, I have to place myself in the **Bricker** camp here… Oh no. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/546 "2012-06-25T15:50:56Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Oh no. I’m trying to escape! ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/547 "2012-06-25T15:52:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So is there some reason I have to commit to a more definitive position now? > [@Durante degli Alighieri](#): > > The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral I hate hot weather, but I see I won’t be alone when I get there. 😃 Seriously people, the Dope should be a distraction, not your life. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/548 "2012-06-25T15:54:51Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > The next month? No. Honestly, after a whole year of contributing regular non-troll posts to the Dope, I might – MIGHT – consider her a useful poster here, but I still won’t believe that she didn’t make up all that crap about being quadriplegic, the rich family, the devote boyfriend, etc. She was trolling us. She got caught out. Accept it. OK. What kind of evidence, if adduced, might cause you to rethink that position? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/549 "2012-06-25T15:55:55Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > I’m trying to escape! You can check out any time you like… ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/550 "2012-06-25T15:58:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You can check out any time you like… Don’t do it, Hippy, it’s a trap. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/551 "2012-06-25T16:01:19Z")
Well, put, **Bricker**. My thoughts exactly. And if **umkay** is in fact a troll, I don’t even have much hate for him/her, only pity and bewilderment. What kind of sad life one must have to waste so much time coming up with not one, but two (or more) very detailed false lives over the course of months. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/552 "2012-06-25T16:05:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And I clearly acknowledge that if instead she simply never posts again, then it’s pretty clear there was a connection. Or she’s just embarrassed. I know I would be, and might not want to post for a while, if ever. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/553 "2012-06-25T16:07:22Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Well, put, **Bricker**. My thoughts exactly. > And if **umkay** is in fact a troll, I don’t even have much hate for him/her, only pity and bewilderment. What kind of sad life one must have to waste so much time coming up with not one, but two (or more) very detailed false lives over the course of months. Well, to be fair, it’s only one life, really, isn’t it? Which is why this whole Umkerfuffle (love it!) is now 99.9% resolved. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/554 "2012-06-25T16:08:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OK. > > What kind of evidence, if adduced, might cause you to rethink that position? Photo of herself next to a computer logged in to the Dope, like I said up-thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/555 "2012-06-25T16:11:13Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Or she’s just embarrassed. I know I would be, and might not want to post for a while, if ever. IF there is an **umkay** out there, she would definitely at least respond to the whole sezyoo business - she made statements defending herself before the evidence became substantial. If she doesn’t come back (which I assume heavily), I for one am fairly comfortable to call her fake. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/556 "2012-06-25T16:13:01Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Can I be honest? For a split second, I thought it **umkay** might have been you. 🙂 BULLY!!! You realize you’ve ruined her life now, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/557 "2012-06-25T16:13:22Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > If she doesn’t come back (which I assume heavily), I for one am fairly comfortable to call her fake. Guilty until proven innocent, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/558 "2012-06-25T16:16:35Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Guilty until proven innocent, eh? This ain’t no court of law. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/559 "2012-06-25T16:18:07Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Holy shit! Even now, there’s still people dumb and gullible enough to believe she’s on the up-and-up? Hahaha, this place never fails. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/560 "2012-06-25T16:18:50Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Man, some of you guys are a bunch of rubes. I get the impression that even if umkay showed up and announced that the whole thing was a fake and she’s really a car salesman living in New Jersey, some of you would be like, “No! She’s only saying that because she was pressured into it! Umkay is real! She has to be!!!” Her previous fake persona on another message board has been found. Game over, man. Game over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=29)