# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/561 "2012-06-25T16:21:43Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Holy shit! Even now, there’s still people dumb and gullible enough to believe she’s on the up-and-up? Hahaha, this place never fails. Well, not exactly. They just want to wait a week or a month to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/562 "2012-06-25T16:21:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And I clearly acknowledge that if instead she simply never posts again, then it’s pretty clear there was a connection. But what if she’s not responding because … dut dut dommmmm … she’s dead??? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/563 "2012-06-25T16:21:58Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Photo of herself next to a computer logged in to the Dope, like I said up-thread. Thats not her! That’s Stephan Hawking in a dress! Gullible bastards. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/564 "2012-06-25T16:26:33Z")
{{The SDMB}} \<— totally a vagina. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/565 "2012-06-25T16:30:27Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Thats not her! That’s Stephan Hawking in a dress! Cut to shower scene with Stephen Hawking bludgeoning **umkay** with a knife. ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/566 "2012-06-25T16:31:23Z")
Well, she won’t be responding at all now, as she’s been banned. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/567 "2012-06-25T16:32:57Z")
> [@Jman](#): > > I have no problem with skepticism, but people early on were not just doing that, they were demanding identification, stating with absolute certainty “TROLL! Fake!” etc. > > Saying “hey, something isn’t adding up here, and I think there may be an issue” is one thing. Pointing the finger and shouting from the rooftops is another, and that’s where people jumped the gun. The problem is that your description of excellent behavior ('Saying “hey, something isn’t adding up here, and I think there may be an issue” ') is exactly what I did in my first post here, post #6: [QUOTE=me] My money’s on Umkay and NotOkay being one and the same, and a masterful player. How they’re going to tell if this is so, of course, is a whole nother question. Don’t touch that dial! [/QUOTE] and in my very next post, # 310, I set off your ire by merely offering my personal opinion that > [@](#): > > either Umkay and Notokay were synchronizing watches or it was all a tremendous coincidence. “Tremendous coincidence” is the far less likely scenario. Does “far less likely” = “pointing the finger and shouting from the rooftops” in your world? You are moving the goalposts here in a most amusing way. “OK, OK, I was totally wrong and you were totally right, but I’m pleased with my foul-natured lambasting of your personal opinions and I’m offended that you dared to be correct in your mild speculations that have made me appear to be, as you noted, gullible and foolish and irrational, goddamn you.” I DO have a finger pointed at you now–guess which one it is. ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/568 "2012-06-25T16:34:08Z")
I don’t know how recent it is since I’m still reading through the weekends threads but Umkay is now showing as banned. Seems the Mod’s have come to a decision. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/569 "2012-06-25T16:35:53Z")
Please mods. Please tell us the Straight Dope on **umkay**. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/570 "2012-06-25T16:36:43Z")
Oh my god! They banned Umkay. This is worse than the Holocaust. Clearly cyber-bullying and she’s probably sitting in a chair, somewhere, in her fabulous mansion, crying her eyes out. (Luckily she has servants to blow her nose for her!) You people are all worse than Hitler for your rampant skepticalness. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/571 "2012-06-25T16:41:02Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Photo of herself next to a computer logged in to the Dope, like I said up-thread. Well, this particular situation looks moot. And my idea of her being back tonight looks very unlikely at this point, what with the banning and all… So: kudos to those who figured it out early. I surely didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/572 "2012-06-25T16:41:33Z")
Pseudotriton, my original beef was not with you, so I don’t know what you’re getting at here. I was explaining my actions… my beef with you today was your baiting and such. You were the one who lumped yourself in with those who WERE shouting from the rooftops. When you responded in your manner this morning, yes, I assumed you were one of the people who were basically yelling out “she’s a fucking troll” based on your post this morning…I did not go back and re-read the whole thread to verify. My original posts were basically addressing Sarahbellum and choie, who at the time were basically piling on despite very little evidence. I responded to you shortly after that because your ‘evidence’ was rather thin. And it was rather thin. And yes, then I responded harshly to you because you responded to my counterpoints to your evidence with total asshattery, talking down to me like I was a fucking child. Jesus, you’d think I’d slaughtered a baby for suggesting that we not make accusations based on thin evidence. I think being wrongly accused of something is a very serious thing, and I prefer not to do it. In this case, she ended up not being wrongly accused, but that doesn’t mean I won’t take care in the future as well. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/573 "2012-06-25T16:43:32Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Cut to shower scene with Stephen Hawking bludgeoning **umkay** with a knife. So that guy was trolling too? I always thought that whole “british wanker in a wheelchair discovers the secret of the universe and also gets a part on Star Trek TNG” was bit fishy and too good to be true. I mean who believes shit like that? I knew from the beginning but I didn’t wanna say anything. But my BS meter was pegged from day one! ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/574 "2012-06-25T16:44:37Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > I wonder where all these “rich bankers” come from? Everyone I’ve ever known who worked for a bank or was in the banking industry, even at the VP level, didn’t make all _that_ much. > > (I confess I’m getting this mental image of bewhiskered J.P. Morgan character riding in his chauffeured R.E.O. horseless carriage, beating his manservant with his 100-carat diamond-tipped cane, exclaiming “Oh stuff and bother, we’ve run over another child! Damn your worthless hide, Alexander! Toss them a bag of gold and let’s be on our way!”) This may have been addressed but just thought I’d mention, “banker” has a wide definition. If you know a lot of bankers who work in actual honest to god retail banks, yeah they make decent money but not crazy rich. But “banker” also is a term used for guys who work for investment banks at various levels. I knew guys who weren’t even VP level in the 1980s, who were pulling in $80,000/week in Wall Street firms. Goldman Sachs has tons of mid-level employees (at least on their org chart) who are over $500k/year earners. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/575 "2012-06-25T16:45:31Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > So that guy was trolling too? > > I always thought that whole “british wanker in a wheelchair discovers the secret of the universe and also gets a part on Star Trek TNG” was bit fishy and too good to be true. I mean who believes shit like that? I knew from the beginning but I didn’t wanna say anything. But my BS meter was pegged from day one! Serious question, are you drunk right now? ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/576 "2012-06-25T16:46:15Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Oh my god! They banned Umkay. This is worse than the Holocaust. Clearly cyber-bullying and she’s probably sitting in a chair, somewhere, in her fabulous mansion, crying her eyes out. (Luckily she has servants to blow her nose for her!) > > You people are all worse than Hitler for your rampant skepticalness. :mad: Unlike you and I, all she has to fall back on in this time of sorrow is humdrum distractions like skydiving and scuba diving. She doesn’t even have a message board to have a little bit of fun on anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/577 "2012-06-25T16:47:42Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Oh my god! They banned Umkay. This is worse than the Holocaust. Clearly cyber-bullying and she’s probably sitting in a chair, somewhere, in her fabulous mansion, crying her eyes out. (Luckily she has servants to blow her nose for her!) But she looks totally hot while doing so. Umkay, wherever you are, even if you’re not real, stay strong! Don’t let the bastards keep you down. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/578 "2012-06-25T16:47:48Z")
Ok. Well, that’s over. You guys wanna, umm… Go bowling or something? I mean, if not, that’s totally cool. Just throwin’ that out there. If you rather see a movie or just grab a cup of coffee? Yeh? Coffee? Okay. I mean **only** if you guys feel up for it. Okay, lets go. Which one? Anyone know a good coffe place near by? Or just the first one up the-- oh he’s looking up Starbucks on his iPhone. Ok. A mile and a half that way? You sure? Which corner? North-east corner, I thought there was only a Century 21 there? Okay, we’ll everyone in their cars. I’ll follow you. Try not to lose me! ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/579 "2012-06-25T16:50:23Z")
> [@Jman](#): > > Yeah, pretty much. Look…I can be an asshole..I certainly have my moments. But before the sezyoo post, there was literally ZERO evidence that wasn’t completely circumstantial. It was a gut feeling. And yes, some of you picked up on some clues, Yay for you! I still, however, am not going to make pretty serious accusations without PROOF, nor will I in the future. When people make incredible claims, I want proof of them. I would think everyone would be in their right to ask me for proof if I claimed here to be 7 feet tall or that I had just given birth to sextuplets, especially if I started an “Ask The” thread about it. When learning about an unusual topic, it seems sensible to want to be sure one isn’t being given false information. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/580 "2012-06-25T16:53:13Z")
I have to applaud (or at least golf-clap) the execution of the hoax. I didn’t contribute to either thread, as the whole thing was setting my radar off, but it was pretty flawlessly done. Unfortunate that so many had their good natures abused, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=30)