# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/701 "2012-06-25T20:01:01Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > And those of you \*still \*believing in umkay, give me your fucking car keys. I don’t even want you driving. What, you’d rather have them moping around in here? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/702 "2012-06-25T20:03:15Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > There are those who think “Catfish” is a reverse troll, though. Did you know that? As far as the film goes: I believe the entire thing to be fiction. Doesn’t make the story any less affecting though. Is that what you’re referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/703 "2012-06-25T20:04:06Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > As far as the film goes: > > I believe the entire thing to be fiction. Doesn’t make the story any less affecting though. > > Is that what you’re referring to? Yes. That is what I was referring to. Loved the film. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/704 "2012-06-25T20:04:29Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Naw, that was funny and I guess I was sorta whooshed (or maybe you just went cazy there for a bit). I was trying to figure out if you were actually bitching that we could NOT prop her vajayjay up and take a pic (missing the important fact thay my suggestions was a joke). It’s entirely possible I’ve gone crazy, but I knew that part was a joke. And while I’m sure MOL’s hooha is a fine specimen I have no desire to see it propped up anywhere 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/705 "2012-06-25T20:06:04Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > It’s entirely possible I’ve gone crazy, but I knew that part was a joke. And while I’m sure MOL’s hooha is a fine specimen I have no desire to see it propped up anywhere 😉 Anywhere? I’m sure you can think of someplace it would look nice. Above the mantle perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/706 "2012-06-25T20:09:31Z")
I say we let it go freerange. ---
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/707 "2012-06-25T20:15:17Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The thing is, a good con artist is just that - _good_. They make an art of duping people, so why are people so surprised when even the intelligent and even some of the skeptical are fooled? Was Umkay really that good at it though? I think he (or she) should have been able to string the board along for months, or even years. What Umkay has is the willingness to devote hours and hours to his lie, (which is not a skill), and the desire to do so, coupled with decent writing skills. I think a good percent of the posters on this board could pull off the same hoax at least just as well, and probably better, if they had nothing better to do with their time, and they actually for some reason _wanted_ to. I think hoaxer trolls that are at all successful get too much credit, because they are rare, but the reason they are rare is because the majority of trolls are too stupid to be good at it, and people who are smart enough to be able to pull it off just tend to have better things to do with their time. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/708 "2012-06-25T20:16:00Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > You people are all worse than Hitler for your rampant skepticalness. :mad: You know who else had “rampant skepticalness”?? HIT-- oh wait… nm. As far as the gullibility vs. asshole debate goes, I find it’s most convenient to be a gullible asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/709 "2012-06-25T20:18:28Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Let me rephrase: “Anyone opening a _successful_ “Ask The…” thread” 🙂 There are, of course, those who only _think_ they are interesting. It went for like 110 posts before it was locked, so…it was pretty successful. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/710 "2012-06-25T20:20:58Z")
> [@Astroboy14](#): > > You know who else had “rampant skepticalness”?? HIT-- oh wait… nm. > > As far as the gullibility vs. asshole debate goes, I find it’s most convenient to be a gullible asshole. Or, an asshole [gull.](http://www.mileanhour.com/files/2012/6/May-I-Present-To-You.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/711 "2012-06-25T20:23:29Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > A letter out of the blue? I’d wonder how I got on the mailing list. And someone joining a message board is a bit less out of the blue, but it’s not totally different. So perhaps you see the analogy I am attempt to make here. > [@](#): > > I’m not an expert in male attractiveness, but that guy looks pretty handsome to me. If he was funny (and alive) should he not have posted here? I don’t recall saying anybody shouldn’t post here. > [@](#): > > I’m not surprised by the disabled doing extreme activities anymore. Neither am I. > [@](#): > > So, it doesn’t really strain my credulity in the slightest that a “cute sexy paralyzed skydiving funny quadriplegic” might exist and might post here. Like I wrote earlier, I am not saying a person like that couldn’t exist. It’s just that skepticism is called for, particularly when people make a series of remarkable claims about themselves (all phrased, of course, under cover of a ridiculously sparkly personality). Possible and plausible are not the same thing, and there are degrees of plausibility. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/712 "2012-06-25T20:36:57Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > You know, for someone who stakes a lot of his reputation on his knowledge of probability, this makes you seem especially weak, **RT**. I said it was probable that \*\*Umkay \*\*was in league with \*\*Notokay \*\* and you signed up with the forces of Dumbth to assert that it wasn’t so. Well, if you’re gonna lie about what I said and all, then I guess that makes you no better or worse than what I’ve come to expect. ---
**Author:** ![wayward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wayward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wayward)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/713 "2012-06-25T20:38:13Z")
Put me down as another fascinated onlooker. My congratulations to all involved. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/714 "2012-06-25T20:45:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t recall saying anybody shouldn’t post here. To add- I hate to see people falsely accused of lying. That’s certainly happened before, and I’d say it’s as much a staple of the message board thing as the actual liars are. So I’m not saying it’s OK to call someone a liar whenever they claim anything out of the ordinary. But an open mind is called for, and that means considering the possibility that someone with a fantastic story to tell is just telling a story. ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/715 "2012-06-25T20:45:33Z")
You guys… :\*-) \*We made something beautiful here. \* ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/716 "2012-06-25T20:48:30Z")
> [@Invisible\_Chimp](#): > > It’s a completely different game when people are trying to troll people out of money. Sympathy trolls are simply sad fucks, mostly harmless, and should be pitied, not hated. I’m actually leaning towards **umkay** being a Pretender (or Poseur) on the DPW spectrum **Ambivalid** mentioned. In which case **umkay** isn’t really in the category of “troll”, though still in the broader classification of “pisses people off”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/717 "2012-06-25T20:51:19Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Like I said, it was the same thing with the Hal Briston sheep thing Sheep lie! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/718 "2012-06-25T20:55:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I’m actually leaning towards **umkay** being a Pretender (or Poseur) on the DPW spectrum **Ambivalid** mentioned. In which case **umkay** isn’t really in the category of “troll”, though still in the broader classification of “pisses people off”. Trolling in the sense of manipulating people to produce an emotional response, perhaps, but not just to irritate or upset them. Which seems kind of convoluted compared to a term like “liar.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/719 "2012-06-25T20:59:04Z")
> [@Bootis](#): > > Was Umkay really that good at it though? I think he (or she) should have been able to string the board along for months, or even years. Better than the average troll/pretender, with signs that this person is learning and improving. For example: during the first “medical emergency” absence **umkay** discovered **Ambivalid** was checking up on her logging in, so during the second such absence she either stayed away completely or monitored the board in an unlogged state. We don’t know how old this person is, or how long they’ve been doing this, or how many times. Nor do we know what, exactly, **umkay/sezyoo** gets out of this stunt. Those would be interesting things to know, but I don’t see how we can obtain that knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/720 "2012-06-25T21:01:59Z")
Goddamn I was hoping someone would ask for a break down of the first ten or so pages of this thread [so I could post this relevant summary.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4) Oh well. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=37)