# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/781 "2012-06-26T01:23:26Z")
> [@Alice\_The\_Goon](#): > > I started to read it, but then found her and the fawning to be all a bit too much so I quit it before my eye-rolling muscles got overextended. The aftermath has been extraordinarily entertaining, though. Same here. I looked in those threads and went right back out after the first page. I only really started getting interested after she got zombified (I do love zombies). I do think it’s still possible that we were dealing with two separate trolls, the faker and the banned guy (Gezmo or something?) who posted all the repetitive questions in umkay’s thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/782 "2012-06-26T01:27:10Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > You have to stop. You are absolutely going to kill me today. :eek::eek::eek::eek:OMIGHOD! _ **BIGT WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! MESSAGE BOARD POSTS CAN KILL YOU!!!1!!** _:eek::eek::eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/783 "2012-06-26T01:37:49Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > I dunno. That’s what I had been thinking at first too, but now I’m starting to wonder if “umyoo” didn’t maneuver this whole shindig as a test in order to try out the “stupid death fakeout and recovery” trick. It’s a hard thing to pull off, but if she gets it, then for lots of people, she’s not a troll, she’s the VICTIM of a troll, and how can the victim of a troll be a troll herself? It’s the perfect smokescreen for people with soft hearts. > > So with that in mind, umyoo has her very personable self, does all her postings, does a “trial disappearance” with the convincing not-really-that-serious-except-it-could-be illness. > > Comes back from that test and realizes that people know when you’re logged in, logs that for reference, and then notices a convenient poster getting pesky and subsequently banned. > > Boom, convenient absence the second, the creation of “NotOkay” intended to be “fake but only in retrospect” so that the majority of people are taken in and mourn her passing. Which is why she’s worried after the fact about how people thought initially he was a troll or a faker - she \*wants \*people to think that, but not until much later after she’s triumphantly returned. > > That way, when umyoo comes back, she can point to how stupid the NotOkay post was, feel superior to everyone, get all the “yay happy” reunion, and then string people along for a good long while longer with more and more outlandish shit before finally having the big cathartic “ok now we’re serious she’s really actually dead this time” post from her already-mentioned brother. (Remember how she specifically wrote out what he’d be more likely to say instead?) > > I’m serious - she had me at first, and then with the two disappearances and the NotOkay crap, it all went downhill too fast here for her to really enjoy. I’m betting she’ll use everything she learned here to find another board and play the whole thing out for solid. This isn’t as farfetched as some people might think. I belong to a board for people interested in high-end designer goods (s’okay—I’ll wait until you finish laughing…) and one of the sub-fora is about buying and selling items. More than once, someone has come in as a new poster and said they were scammed on ebay, laying out a series of events. As people ask more questions and possibly find flaws in the person’s story, that “new poster” learns what will and will not work when trying to scam someone. Once they’ve learned enough, they go off and scam someone on ebay for a high-end item. They use the forum as a testing ground until their story is perfected. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/784 "2012-06-26T01:55:26Z")
Such an easy evil, Such a sensuous sin, Sometimes I don’t know where I’m goin’ Til I’ve been Taken in. Such an easy evil, Such a promise of fun. Sometimes I don’t know what I’m doin’ Til I’m done. (You’re a sneaky one.) Here she comes now, touchin’ me, Callin’ my name Again. There I go now, Like a moth to a flame. I’m a sucker for you, baby. Such an easy evil, Such a sensuous sin, Sometimes I don’t know where I’m goin’ Til I’ve been Taken in. – Alan O’Day, (part of) _Easy Evil_ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/785 "2012-06-26T02:02:27Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Yeah, cuz it would be hard for you to quote the sentence where I’m telling lies about you. Man, you’re stupid: that was the first thing I did. I’d tell you which post, but we’ve already determined that ‘one’ is too complicated a concept for you. So I think we’ll have to consider this discussion to be at an end. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/786 "2012-06-26T02:03:07Z")
> [@FloatyGimpy](#): > > I don’t think she is someone from this board at all. I do think that sezyoo and umkay are the same person. I think he or she is someone who (for some strange reason) wishes they were actually a rich paraplegic. > > The level of knowledge is way too detailed to just be some troll, yanking people’s chains. I do find the whole psychology behind his/her actions to be so interesting. Why would someone wish they were paralyzed? Maybe it’s just a devote writing about his fantasies. Who knows but it’s all pretty interesting. Nope, I believe this WAS a pretender. I initially thought it was devotee but after **Umkay’s** vitriolic response after being “outed” here, in which she replied to one of my posts in which I had levelled the accusation of her really being a devotee lying about who he/she was, she told me what a “dipshit” I was for “mixing up my diagnoses”. If she really _was_ lying about everything, she said, would that make her a “pretender”? I think she just couldn’t help it. She had to rub it in my (and the board’s) face. “No, _this_ is what I am, you stupid motherfucker.” ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/787 "2012-06-26T02:04:09Z")
It’s kinda interesing going back and reading the gabriela threads. I have no reason to believe they’re the same person, just some similarities in the situations. Someone who had all the right answers and definitely knew his/her stuff–all the medical types agreed on that. Some skepticism on her credentials, and some scorn directed to the skepticism. I’ll repeat, I’m in no way implying that they had any person connection, just similar situations. The adoring fan base, the short missing period. The return. And the disappearance (just with no dramatic send-off–he/she just left). (She had responded to a couple of my posts with really good info–whether that was off the top of her head, or from some other source, the info was good.) [Ask the forensic pathologist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=365327). [Embarrassing medical conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374541) [Has anyone seen gabriela lately?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=397567) She had been missing for two weeks or so, but comes back in this thread. [I fear we won’t see gabriela again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=431387) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/788 "2012-06-26T02:09:25Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I will pay you 1 million dollars to speak plainly, man. You don’t _look_ Nigerian. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/789 "2012-06-26T02:13:09Z")
I give the troll a lot of credit for a well executed hoax. I found the story plausible, and **Broomstick** and others familiar with SCIs verified that the story checked out. As one of my mentor profs who works in special ed used to say, people with disabilities are the world’s largest open minority group. Anyone regardless of income, age, gender, nationality, etc. can join any time. So being a super-rich quad didn’t set off any suspicion with me. Rich people get paralyzed too! There was a wealth of good info in that thread, and it was entertaining to read. What’s impressive about the troll is that it wasn’t just her show; a number of Dopers made great contributions to the conversation. I learned a lot, and **sami** no doubt got some much needed support and advice (which in truth made it worthwhile, IMO). As for the fanclub… there’s nothing wrong with telling a poster you appreciate their posting style, that you find them engaging. It’s actually quite sweet and I know having a compliment from a Doper has often made my day. I did find it a little irksome but that’s for the same reason I hate the Arcade Fire, or wouldn’t watch Titanic for years. Fanaticism makes even the appealing unappealing. But it’s not the OP’s fault that others are fawning over him or her, is it? I didn’t see anything suspicious about the days of logging out. I’m usually logged into the SDMB on one of the six devices I use daily. And the malady seemed real enough. **Giraffe’s** point about the fast response to questions did make me think that something might be askew; but again, the troll did a good job of explaining how helpers could type, and the Dragon software was effective. For me, the conclusive evidence came when **crazyhorse** found the passages. Having said that, I think it’s faintly, faintly possible that **umkay** is real, or is partially real. Of course, a real person would likely be so incensed by the accusations of lying that they’d be explaining the situation to the mods. Someone who professed to enjoy the Dope so much would likely not go down without defending themselves. So barring a resurrection via the mods, I’m convinced we were took. 🙂 I actually have so many more questions for the troll now. I’d love to see him/her back for a “Ask the Troll” thread! ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/790 "2012-06-26T02:17:36Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Of course, a real person would likely be so incensed by the accusations of lying that they’d be explaining the situation to the mods. If the board ever doubts the truth behind my charming nature and useful expertise, well… fuck you guys. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/791 "2012-06-26T02:31:08Z")
> [@choie](#): > > You don’t seem to get this. Your answer is: _it depends_. I get that, and that’s why it all seemed so fuzzy, until **Crazyhorse** posted those clear parallel quotes. “Fitting the profile” is all well and good for initial hunches and suspicion, but dropping the banhammer should, IMHO, require a little more than suspicion. Assuming the mods compared the two a bit better than I did at first, and saw confirmed parallels like those, then the banning was fully warranted. But all people kept saying when anyone expressed doubt was “c’mon, no one could be that perfect! you fool! and the two stories are mildly similar!” > [@](#): > > But I do wish you would open your mind to the possibility that yes, there _were_ reasons to doubt **umkay** , and soon not just doubt, but move from doubt to suspect to almost certainty about her lack of veracity. Even _before_ the **sezyoo** connection was spotted. I think you may be confusing me with other posters, or misinterpreting my posts. I _do_ see the reasons to doubt, just not the almost certainty, pre-sezyoo. If you think that profiling is conclusive, well let’s just say I disagree and leave it at that. > [@](#): > > Me, I can’t manage to see the patterns in those stereographic images that were big in the '90s. But I don’t think that those who can are lying. I don’t think I ever accused anyone of lying, just jumping to conclusions too soon. > [@](#): > > Argh, I can’t believe this is still being repeated. Once more with feeling: there’s interesting, there’s unusual, there’s extraordinary, and there’s holy fucking shit this is off-the-charts ridiculously improbable. **umkay** ’s behavior and claims _started_ the dial at _Unusual_ (a quad-sex-fetish thread as her very first post) and swiftly moved on from there. The death hoax and her behavior upon return was when the dial began shifting past _Extraordinary_. Once **sezyoo** was discovered, we reached HFSTIOTCRI territory, with the red flashing lights and everything. Well, I’ll defer to your vast experience as to where your dial falls. For the record, mine is calibrated differently. I agree she started at unusual, but not unusually unusual, if that makes sense. The death hoax didn’t really add anything, and, like **yellowval** I still think it just as likely to be a second hoaxer on the grassy knoll. sezyoo is where “extraordinary” started, but I was willing to hear a rebuttal, and HFSTIOTCRI was only hit when direct quotes from the two were seen to be nearly identical. If that makes me a bit more gullible than you, I’ll accept that. > [@](#): > > Stop blaming the people who defrocked the abusive troll and turn that misdirected anger at the _troll_. Because SHE, or HE, is the one who is responsible for that future suspiciousness. Not those of us who wanted this manipulative shithead out of our community. I’m not blaming anyone for outing the troll, only for declaring the case open-and-shut without pointing to better proof than a behavior pattern that I’m betting applies to as many real posters as trolls. In the end: well spotted for those who got the hunch, and for whoever found sezyoo, and well researched for the mods who (I assume and hope) dug into sezyoo’s posts a bit before banning. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/792 "2012-06-26T02:35:08Z")
> [@yellowval](#): > > Same here. I looked in those threads and went right back out after the first page. I only really started getting interested after she got zombified (I do love zombies). I do think it’s still possible that we were dealing with two separate trolls, the faker and the banned guy (Gezmo or something?) who posted all the repetitive questions in umkay’s thread. What if Gezmo, umkay, sezyoo, and NotOkay are all the same person! ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/793 "2012-06-26T02:41:26Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > If the board ever doubts the truth behind my charming nature and useful expertise, well… fuck you guys. The “truth” part isn’t the part we are doubting 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/794 "2012-06-26T02:43:41Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I’m not blaming anyone for outing the troll, only for declaring the case open-and-shut without pointing to better proof than a behavior pattern that I’m betting applies to as many real posters as trolls. Why would you bet that? You’d bet incorrectly. Look, there’s no shame in being duped, ok? It’s fine, it really, really is. It’s not a big deal. You don’t need to try and find some way to twist those of us who were right into being somehow wrong. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/795 "2012-06-26T03:06:37Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > I think we need to have a very special screening of the film “Catfish” for the more trusting people here. Maybe a double feature with “Exit Through the Gift Shop”. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/796 "2012-06-26T03:08:58Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15198194&postcount=56): Sigh ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/797 "2012-06-26T03:11:05Z")
> [@SubaRhubarb](#): > > -Quote snipped by me > I am not a doctor, but I think the heart is supposed to supply blood to your brain. Perhaps tuck your heart back inside for a bit and see if you recover your senses. > 😃 Maybe that’s what YOUR heart is for. Mine will go wherever it wants, free like a butterfly. Until it clogs or whatever it’s going to do. There’s no need for me to apologize for being a softie. Just enjoy it while it lasts, everybody. ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/798 "2012-06-26T03:13:45Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > It’s kinda interesing going back and reading the gabriela threads. I have no reason to believe they’re the same person, just some similarities in the situations. Someone who had all the right answers and definitely knew his/her stuff–all the medical types agreed on that. Some skepticism on her credentials, and some scorn directed to the skepticism. I’ll repeat, I’m in no way implying that they had any person connection, just similar situations. The adoring fan base, the short missing period. The return. And the disappearance (just with no dramatic send-off–he/she just left). (She had responded to a couple of my posts with really good info–whether that was off the top of her head, or from some other source, the info was good.) > > [Ask the forensic pathologist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=365327). > [Embarrassing medical conditions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374541) > [Has anyone seen gabriela lately?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=397567) She had been missing for two weeks or so, but comes back in this thread. > [I fear we won’t see gabriela again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=431387) A man after my own heart. They ‘felt’ similar to me from the beginning. Kinda like playing mafia. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/799 "2012-06-26T03:36:36Z")
Please tell me I’m not the only person that thinks \*\*Tapu \*\*is **Umkay**. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/800 "2012-06-26T04:16:32Z")
> [@Alice\_The\_Goon](#): > > Did you see the OTT emotional responses to the death, and again when it was revealed that there was no death? Trolls live for that shit. > [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > And, as I said before, someone is probably having a ball watching this feeding frenzy. > [@Astroboy14](#): > > Actually, a whole bunch of us are… True. I used to do my share of trolling, and still enjoy seeing a good one. This one (or two, if **NotOkay** was actually a drive-by who got lucky (and it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen (or _made_) _that_ happen, where one troll steps on another troll, for massive lulz)) was _ **classic** _. Much troll-food has been posted in this thread, even after the bannings. And apparently is continuing. Keep feeding the Trolls, people. Trolls need nourishment, too… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=41)