# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/861 "2012-06-26T18:26:41Z")
We should all be grateful that we had such a well informed troll - a wiki-troll as it were. If only there was some way to find out what being paralyzed is like other than a spontaneous visit from a fake quadriplegic! ETA: this post was not in response to Ambivalid, but to the general expression of gratitude for the afterschool special expertise to which we were exposed. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/862 "2012-06-26T18:30:53Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > If only there was some way to find out what being paralyzed is like other than a spontaneous visit from a fake quadriplegic! Well there’s always… **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/863 "2012-06-26T18:43:11Z")
That WOULD be a fun thread! Thanks, Ambivalid…I just wanted to know if I should basically toss out the ‘factual’ information relating to the injury, since I actually felt like I learned a great deal reading the thread. But it sounds like I can log that into my memory banks as generally true information. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/864 "2012-06-26T18:46:14Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well there’s always… > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 **AMBI** please do start that thread, could be the worst idea ever but please start that thread 😛 BTW wanna bet that she is watching all this with a big effing grin **KWIM** **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/865 "2012-06-26T18:50:19Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well there’s always… > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 Not that you should not, but my real point was that there are multitudes of sources of such information all over the internet and IRL. It’s a stupid and patently transparent rationalization to suggest that being gullible was okay because hey at least I learned some information. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/866 "2012-06-26T19:19:26Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/867 "2012-06-26T19:20:22Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Umkay isn’t married, but her family is loaded bankers. If I didn’t think it would get me banned, I would start an alt that’s the rich banker related to umkay who was coincidently the rich drunk banker that hit sezyoo ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/868 "2012-06-26T19:43:23Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > That’d be a little difficult, I’m afraid. What do you mean? Just because li’l Frankie-snookikins and I don’t talk much these days, doesn’t mean… uh? what??? Some fake troll news agencies reported that he’s DEAD??? ;). ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/869 "2012-06-26T19:44:24Z")
There’s no easy way to say this…but RichBanker001 died 20 minutes ago after accidentally crashing his motorized wheelchair into a girl in a motorized wheelchair on his way home from underwater wheelchair skydiving. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/870 "2012-06-26T19:47:31Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well there’s always… > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 I double-dog dare ya! ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/871 "2012-06-26T19:53:08Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Yes. But I was _extremely_ wary and hesitant to voice any sort of doubt because of the fact that I am disabled and use a wheelchair as well and my time at the Dope has been, um, not quite as rosy as **Umkay’s** and I thought my skepticism might be interpreted-or at least _treated_-as nothing more than sour grapes. But I was rolling my fuckin’ eyes and grindin’ my fuckin’ teeth like nobody’s business for the entire **Umkay** episode. 😃 > [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well there’s always… > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 Dude, you have had some rocky times here, and I have at times thought some pretty negative things about you. Between the great judgment in the first post and the humor in the second, I have decided that you rock. Not that you have any reason to care what I think. And I would totally read that thread. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/872 "2012-06-26T19:59:24Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > There’s no easy way to say this…but **RichBanker001** died 20 minutes ago after accidentally crashing his motorized wheelchair into a girl in a motorized wheelchair on his way home from underwater wheelchair skydiving. Baloney. Anybody with a username that ends in 3 digits is a lying sack of shit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/873 "2012-06-26T20:05:38Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > There’s no easy way to say this…but RichBanker001 died 20 minutes ago after accidentally crashing his motorized wheelchair into a girl in a motorized wheelchair on his way home from underwater wheelchair skydiving. Good as long as ExDrunkButStillRichBanker is still around to open his Ask the Guy Whose Drinking Led to a Horrible Coincidence thread. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/874 "2012-06-26T20:11:04Z")
**Ask The Troll Not In A Wheelchair** ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/875 "2012-06-26T20:12:56Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well as I said, pretenders are extremely knowledgeable and well-versed in the information and details about “their” disability. It wasn’t so much anything about her conveyance of info that was dubious, rather it was a collection of small little idiosyncracies, little weird inconsistencies or the details of her actual life that didn’t sit right. > > \ > > Or being extremely vague about any potential identifying features in her life (no matter how obscure). The fact that a extremely gregarious, extroverted 20-something woman who allegedly has a _career_ based on the internet who also has NO facebook account is HIGHLY suspiscious. One of the things that I noticed was that, when describing her fancy bed or computer set-up or any piece of equipment, she would link to a product page but never a picture of what her own piece of equipment looked like. Of course one could excuse that as her wanting us to be able to see manufacturer information, but I thought it was a red flag that it was always links and never “here’s what my shower chair looks like”. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/876 "2012-06-26T20:15:52Z")
🙂 > [@Ambivalid](#): > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 I’m getting a visual of you sitting there, with a mic mounted under your chair so your sphincter can do all the talkin’… ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/877 "2012-06-26T20:34:57Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well there’s always… > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 Meh, from your postings to various threads, a lot of that ground has been covered. I’m actually more interested in the experiences you (and others) have had with this “DPW spectrum” stuff. Seems like that would be the more interesting and productive offshoot to this saga. And really, ISTM that to fight the ignorance of what goes on in that world by shining a light on it, would be the perfect kind of antidote to this whole mess. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/878 "2012-06-26T20:41:36Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Well there’s always… > > **Ask The Asshole in The Wheelchair** 🆒 Start this thread NOW! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/879 "2012-06-26T20:42:00Z")
My sister-in-law who is a quad (MS, not SCI) wants to know where she can find one of those devotee guys. Does she need references? ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/880 "2012-06-26T21:10:15Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Happened to me. I left for about three months IIRC. And it was not a pleasant three months. > > Though I do feel that if you have that strong of an emotional reaction to events on a message board, it’s a sign you have to get right with yourself. I feel like posters ought to show a bit of decorum when playing Jr. Detective, but I also feel that the accused is responsible for how s/he reacts to such rudeness. I want to apologize for any part I played in that. I’m sorry that it caused you hurt. It wasn’t my intention to be hurtful. As I was watching people make accusations early in the thread, I was thinking that it’s easy to accuse because if you’re right, you can feel smug, but if you’re wrong, no one remembers so no one has to apologize. So I’m apologizing 6 years later. If it’s any consolation, I’ve been in the middle of troll hunts and now know how it feels. There’s really nothing that someone in the middle of that can do once people make up their mind up about something and several people join in. People predicting what an innocent person would do in that situation probably haven’t been in that situation themselves. Everything that you do is more confirmation bias of guilt. It almost doesn’t matter what it is. This is not to minimize my actions, but to answer some of the people who are sure of their troll detection abilities, I think that some people can look like trolls and exhibit the classic signs but it’s really hard to know people’s motivations. When olivesmarch4th left the board, it could have been viewed as her giving up the gig, but that was not the case. There were lots of other classic signs that seemed obvious to me at the time and convinced quite a few others, but only hindsight gives the bigger picture. ETA: I’m not making any comments in this post about the whole umkay situation. I didn’t follow her threads all that closely. I was just commenting generally on the subject of troll detection after reading this thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=45)