# I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044 "2012-06-23T07:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/921 "2012-06-29T15:48:39Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > One thing that was starting to annoy me was lack of empathy towards other significantly disabled people, like fellow quads. I got much more outraged over **Sami41’s** Popsicle’s neglect and problems than she did, for example. She also seemed remarkably clueless about the impact of poverty on a quad’s quality of life. I chalked it up to being young, narcissistic, and possibly sheltered by her family but surely during rehab she would have rubbed shoulders with other disabled people with much more dire financial situations. Experience of that sort is one of the things that prompted Christopher Reeve to take on his advocate role, and he had spoken/written about the impact meeting such people, and the contrast with his own wealth, had had on him. I read somewhere, possibly one of those celebrity gossip boards, that Christopher Reeve’s care after his accident was so expensive that it exhausted his wealth and that his family was being supported by actor friends such as Robin Williams. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/922 "2012-06-29T16:01:08Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Whichever way it is, I’m not sure it makes a difference to us. No, this is just speculation and for our purposes it doesn’t matter. > [@](#): > > Either way, the death/resurrection bit was trolling of the most manipulative sort. If that’s what it was. I understand the reasoning but I don’t think trolls usually pull the plug on their schemes and then say the whole thing was fake. The whole thing only diminished **umkay** ’s credibility and made people more suspicious of her. It certainly accelerated the ban. So it’s possible the **NotOkay** thing was an unusually complex piece of trolling, but my inclination is that it was not. > [@](#): > > And since she can’t erase her posting history here, people at the next board she plays won’t be dependent on the sometimes limited memory of Google’s cache. Yup. Right before the end she actually did ask us to remove a few “identifying” details from her posts, and we said no. This is one of the reasons I’m glad we don’t let people delete their own posts. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/923 "2012-06-29T17:01:12Z")
**Marley23** I actually sent her a PM suggesting she ask the Mods to remove her private info, yep I got burned. I had my meal of humble pie and crow in a hat. Just for fun and laughs here is the PM(edited) > [@](#): > > Capt Kirk > Guest > > Join Date: Mar 2012 > We have too much private info on you > K. here( my real name) > umkay > I am not in any way trying to be creepy, but after “asshat’s” announcement of your demise, I started to re-read all the ask posts, where I have been lurking. I realized that I could easily have found out who you are in real life from the info you gave and if you were deceased finding your obit would be a cinch. I had actually planned on finding your obit and asking the mods if I could post it. I want to suggest to you that you ask the mods to blank out some info, like… > > your DOB 11/1/85 > your accident 12/22/99 > you live in L.A. > Dad plus 3 brothers are bankers, other brother in AF > you have given many other details > specific schools, Dallas Republicans etc > your first name > a little Google fu and voila > > I have in no way attempted to find you nor will I ever, but because your family would be easy to find, please be careful what you say, you and your story have been published, probably about the time of your accident. Admittedly you would be easier to find as an obit and I for one am damn glad that it is not true. > > Your friend and fan > K. > > CAPT KIRK Hope you all enjoyed that, yep even sent her my real name. Do I get a dunce cap or what? **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/924 "2012-06-29T17:11:18Z")
Heh. Thanks for collecting all the fake biographical information she posted, anyway. Maybe somebody will find it useful at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/925 "2012-06-29T17:23:24Z")
Whoa!!! Capt. Kirk went harrrrdddd!!! Dannnggg! Looky here. I know about groupyism. I have some posters on this board who I just am embarrassed at how they have me on their jock. But Capt Kirk just raised the bar. “your fan”, son? Daaammmnnn! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/926 "2012-06-29T17:34:09Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I have some posters on this board who I just am embarrassed at how they have me on their jock. Aw… you say the sweetest things. I like you too, Nzinga. But really, Kirk. Why share that? Just to make everyone embarrassed for you? Also, don’t you think Capt. Pike would be a more appropriate handle for you, given everything? ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/927 "2012-06-29T17:41:01Z")
I think he shared it because he realizes he was gushing and now he is able to laugh at himself. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/928 "2012-06-29T17:46:37Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Aw… you say the sweetest things. I like you too, Nzinga. > > But really, Kirk. Why share that? Just to make everyone embarrassed for you? > > Also, don’t you think Capt. Pike would be a more appropriate handle for you, given everything? Nah. I just thought it was funny and I thought the board might as well. **Marley23** reminded me that I sent the PM so I thought I would share. I got suckered but I have a sense of humor about it, have a good time at my expense I did. The Capt. Pike comment was a low blow 😉 **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/929 "2012-06-29T17:55:48Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Nah. I just thought it was funny and I thought the board might as well. **Marley23** reminded me that I sent the PM so I thought I would share. I got suckered but I have a sense of humor about it, have a good time at my expense I did. > > The Capt. Pike comment was a low blow 😉 > > **CAPT** The concept of having a sense of humor about oneself is not… logical … to me. (Raises eyebrow.) ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/930 "2012-06-29T18:07:21Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > The concept of having a sense of humor about oneself is not… logical … to me. (Raises eyebrow.) Nice one, are you wearing a red shirt? If so I will beam over shortly and we will see how that works out for ya. 😃 **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/931 "2012-06-29T18:13:55Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Nice one, are you wearing a red shirt? If so I will beam over shortly and we will see how that works out for ya. 😃 > > **CAPT** Hmm. Is your tunic missing the sleeves, by the way? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/932 "2012-06-29T18:28:01Z")
> [@Sarabellum1976](#): > > Good guess, on the Canadian bit. > > Twenty years old, Canadian, female, “devotee”, suffers from depression, unemployed - that’d be MY guess. 😉 The use of ‘over the moon’ makes me think they’re from the UK or maybe Australia. I don’t know if the expression is common in Canada, but when heard in the US it has almost always been someone British or Australian IME. While searching for similarities on the mommy board threads I noticed that “KWIM” also seems to be much more common on UK based boards. I would assume that the mods verified her IP was in Southern California somewhere very early in the thread, and I just wrote it off to probably having friends or family that used the expression. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/933 "2012-06-29T19:22:44Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > The use of ‘over the moon’ makes me think they’re from the UK or maybe Australia. I don’t know if the expression is common in Canada, but when heard in the US it has almost always been someone British or Australian IME. > > While searching for similarities on the mommy board threads I noticed that “KWIM” also seems to be much more common on UK based boards. For what it’s worth, I am Californian (although I lived in Boston for slightly longer than I lived in California), and I use both of those expressions pretty regularly. I do have the use of all four limbs, though. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/934 "2012-06-29T19:28:06Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > I would assume that the mods verified her IP was in Southern California somewhere very early in the thread, and I just wrote it off to probably having friends or family that used the expression. Someone who has trolled/defrauded/whatevered multiple message boards would know that mods can easily find out if you’re lying about something as basic as your location. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/935 "2012-06-29T19:42:59Z")
In fact **umkay** even knew enough to make up a story about posting with a mobile phone. In hindsight that might be the most absurd element of the story- picture a quadriplegic out on the town posting to a message board. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/936 "2012-06-29T19:43:37Z")
Okay so I was on vacation for a while and didn’t get to see the fallout of this fascinating story. Would someone be kind enough to link to the threads where it became apparent that **Umkay** was a fake? Or at least sum up the story like a “Reader’s Digest” version? Only if it’s not a pain in your asses. Trolls are fascinating creatures… ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/937 "2012-06-29T20:04:54Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > Okay so I was on vacation for a while and didn’t get to see the fallout of this fascinating story. Would someone be kind enough to link to the threads where it became apparent that **Umkay** was a fake? Or at least sum up the story like a “Reader’s Digest” version? Only if it’s not a pain in your asses. Trolls are fascinating creatures… Right here in this very thread. **Sarahbellum1976** found the other board where **umkay** was posting before May. Around page 10 or so… Reader’s Digest version: after she already took a week off and people got worried, **umkay** came back and explained her absence with a medical reason that could potentially kill her if untreated. She then went offline for another week and on Friday a troll (maybe herself, maybe not) posted as her brother announcing her death (“[Umkay has passed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=656130)”). People were posting 1 1/2 pages of condolences before she showed up again, disproving her “death” (“[the FUCK!?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=656166)”). Then this thread was opened, where soon people starting accusing her of trolling. Some people (including me) jumped to her defense, before **Sarahbellum1976** came along with her research. **umkay** never posted again after that revelation and was banned a couple of hours later. ---
**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/938 "2012-06-29T23:21:46Z")
One footnote, it was actually Splatterpunk’s research, not mine. And she didn’t get banned until the next day. She made her “I’m for real!” post AFTER the other message board had been found - comedy gold! - but BEFORE we’d posted about it over here. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/939 "2012-06-30T03:24:57Z")
> [@Sarabellum1976](#): > > One footnote, it was actually Splatterpunk’s research, not mine. > > And she didn’t get banned until the next day. She made her “I’m for real!” post AFTER the other message board had been found - comedy gold! - but BEFORE we’d posted about it over here. Footnote to **Sarabellum** ’s footnote: **choie** , **Sarabellum** , **Salambo** \*, **Ugly Ripe Tomato** , **coolbyrne** and **hajario** all spent a good deal of time scouring **sezyoo** ’s posts looking for similarities between the two trolls’ stories/posting styles. There was some bit of discussion (on another board) as to whether or not it was conclusive that the two posters were the same before the information was dumped here. \ ***Salambo** actually stumbled onto the mommy board about the same time I did, and had the same suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/940 "2012-06-30T03:47:00Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > Footnote to **Sarabellum** ’s footnote: > > **choie** , **Sarabellum** , **Salambo** \*, **Ugly Ripe Tomato** , **coolbyrne** and **hajario** all spent a good deal of time scouring **sezyoo** ’s posts looking for similarities between the two trolls’ stories/posting styles. > > There was some bit of discussion (on another board) as to whether or not it was conclusive that the two posters were the same before the information was dumped here. > \ ***Salambo** actually stumbled onto the mommy board about the same time I did, and had the same suspicions. Thank you all for your time and work, just saying 😃 From one who was duped **CAPT** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044.md?page=48)