# I Pit Obama and his Kool Aid Drinking Puppets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845 "2008-06-22T22:56:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/141 "2008-06-23T23:56:58Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] True enough, but is it right for the government to infringe on someone’s rights to protect other people from their own stupidity? [/QUOTE] Stated in terms as broad as that, there seems to have been a general consensus to that effect throughout American (and British) history. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/142 "2008-06-23T23:58:55Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] True enough, but is it right for the government to infringe on someone’s rights to protect other people from their own stupidity? [/QUOTE] So…when the government infringes on your “right” to sell adulterated food to protect people from being made ill or dead, is that wrong? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/143 "2008-06-23T23:59:23Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] Fuck that! AMERICAN poverty is not my problem, much less global poverty. What gives him the right to steal this money from us? If you think reducing poverty is a noble cause, give as much money as you want. Do what you want with your own pie. Stay the fuck away from mine please. [/QUOTE] Sounds like Objectivism, and there has **never** been a general consensus for **that** in American history, and we have the most economic-libertarian political culture in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Rael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rael)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/144 "2008-06-24T00:00:29Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Funny, how the government run health care in other countries is better - save for some high end stuff - than what we free market worshipping Americans get. [/QUOTE] Oh yes everyone is flocking to Cuba and Canada in droves. [QUOTE=Der Trihs] The fact that as a fellow human being, you have moral obligations to other human beings. The fact that much of that poverty is at least partially our fault. [/QUOTE] Are you fucking kidding me? As a human being I have a moral obligation not to harm or interfere with others rights. Thats it. Poverty is NOT my fault. You have bought into stereotypical liberal self hatred. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/145 "2008-06-24T00:03:29Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] Obama thinks the government can take care of our health care. The same government that can’t even get the mail delivered on time, educate our children or balance a budget! Been to the DMV lately? Thats what your doctors office is going to look like. [/quote] [shrug] Still be better than what we’ve got now, as any Canadian can tell you. (I realize **Sam Stone** would beg to differ, but he represents a definite minority POV in his country on that and practically everything else.) [QUOTE=Rael] Obama stated he will stop investing in missile defense. WTF is wrong with missile DEFENSE for God’s sake??? [/QUOTE] Same thing that was wrong with it during the Cold War when Reagan pushed it; it just makes both sides’ trigger fingers itchier. With Mutually Assured Destruction I don’t dare launch a missile at you, but if I think you think you can survive a war, I’d damned well better strike first, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Rael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rael)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/146 "2008-06-24T00:04:31Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Sounds like Objectivism, and there has **never** been a general consensus for **that** in American history, and we have the most economic-libertarian political culture in the world. [/QUOTE] You have hit the nail on the head. And I am not looking for consensus. I am looking towards what is moral and just. As Mark Twain pointed out, “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/147 "2008-06-24T00:08:04Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] And I am not looking for consensus. I am looking towards what is moral and just. [/QUOTE] Better keep looking. You won’t find it in Objectivism. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/148 "2008-06-24T00:15:06Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] You have hit the nail on the head. And I am not looking for consensus. I am looking towards what is moral and just. As Mark Twain pointed out, “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” [/QUOTE] But you are! And not only are you in the majority, you’re in a permanent majority! Rejoice, brother, and tell them niggers and hippies how pathetic they are! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/149 "2008-06-24T00:20:43Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] As Mark Twain pointed out, “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” [/QUOTE] Bear in mind that for every Galileo, there are at least a hundred [Timecube Guys.](http://www.timecube.com/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/150 "2008-06-24T00:23:00Z")
There is deep moral statement in Objectivism, it is the moral statement of a toddler than seizes the fire truck from his brother and screams “Mine!” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/151 "2008-06-24T00:28:32Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] True enough, but is it right for the government to infringe on someone’s rights to protect other people from their own stupidity? [/QUOTE] Yes, because EVERYONE is stupid, now and then. [QUOTE=Rael] Are you fucking kidding me? As a human being I have a moral obligation not to harm or interfere with others rights. Thats it. Poverty is NOT my fault. You have bought into stereotypical liberal self hatred. [/quote] First, at no point have I expressed self hatred. Second, you have a moral obligation to help out those less fortunate, especially if you profit from their poverty, which you do. Third, widespread poverty is bad for society, and doing nothing about it is stupid. Of course, stupidity and evil are core right wing values. The most important difference between Right and Left is that the Right is so relentlessly wrong. Morally, factually, practically wrong, nearly without exception. The left can be wrong too, but it’s not as obsessive about it. [QUOTE=Rael] I am looking towards what is moral and just. [/QUOTE] No, you are just looking for an excuse to be a predator, a parasite, and probably a sadist and pat yourself on the back for moral righteousness at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/152 "2008-06-24T00:31:43Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] As Mark Twain pointed out, “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” [/QUOTE] It seems to me that this very real impulse is what is going to speed Obama into office on a wave of middle fingers. I don’t think it’s all necessarily logical, but it appears to be working with me for once, so I will be over here in the corner, staying verrrry still. Objectivism only makes sense if you are doing better than most people and you attribute that entirely to your awesomeness instead of some combination of your awesomeness and the luck of the draw. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/153 "2008-06-24T00:34:44Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] What gives him the right to steal this money from us? [/QUOTE] The law, passed by Congress, which you elected. Or are you whining that because your candidate wasn’t elected, you aren’t represented? > [@](#): > > Stay the fuck away from mine please. The law says it is not yours, not all of it anyway. We do not recognize divine rights. > [@](#): > > Perhaps his plan is to just hold hands and sing Kumbaya to ward off the missles. What missiles are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/154 "2008-06-24T00:40:16Z")
[QUOTE=stolichnaya] Objectivism only makes sense if you are doing better than most people and you attribute that entirely to your awesomeness instead of some combination of your awesomeness and the luck of the draw. [/QUOTE] Exactly. One thing I’ve noticed about people like this; nothing is ever due to chance. If misfortune strikes, it’s YOUR fault, always. I think that’s why so many of the crazy militia/libertarian types tend to also believe in anti Semitic and racial conspiracy theories. If they aren’t doing well, their political philosophy doesn’t let them attribute it to bad luck, and their ego doesnt let them attribute it to their own failings. So, it must be THEM. The evil liberal-Jewish-gay-Soviet-Illuminati cabal that’s keeping them down. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/155 "2008-06-24T00:43:30Z")
I wish all the little selfish fuckers like this guy would just move to Mexico, where they have exactly the government they hold up as so ideal. Where the corrupt government does jack shit for its citizens, so the rich get richer and richer off the backs of the poor who live in shacks they’ve built out of shipping pallets and plastic garbage bags, and there _is_ no middle class as a result. You know, the country that millions and millions of poverty-stricken people are willing to risk life and limb to escape from, to get to America where they at least stand half a chance not to fucking starve. Selfish little pricks like this guy don’t deserve the government we have, let alone the one we’re trying to give them. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/156 "2008-06-24T00:53:54Z")
And the missile defense thing, too- objectivist-ly, if someone tries to shoot a missile at you, isn’t it your problem and your problem alone? Why is the government taking my money to protect you from enemy missiles when I clearly could care less if you got hit by a missile? I’ll just move somewhere where missiles are unlikely to be targeted. Individuals and condo associations should put up their own missile defense shields. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/157 "2008-06-24T00:54:53Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Shhh…s/he’s actually showing the glimmerings of a sense of humor in this thread. Don’t spook **her** … [/QUOTE] Him. You know **Sampiro** , I was thinking the very same thing. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/158 "2008-06-24T01:02:43Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] I wish all the little selfish fuckers like this guy would just move to Mexico, where they have exactly the government they hold up as so ideal. Where the corrupt government does jack shit for its citizens, so the rich get richer and richer off the backs of the poor who live in shacks they’ve built out of shipping pallets and plastic garbage bags, and there _is_ no middle class as a result. [/QUOTE] They’ve been trying to make this country like that for the last seven and a half years. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/159 "2008-06-24T01:05:00Z")
[QUOTE=Rael] Obama thinks the government can take care of our health care. The same government that can’t even get the mail delivered on time, educate our children or balance a budget! [/QUOTE] Really? Oddly enough, my mail delivery is swift and reliable. And I seem to recall there were balanced budgets under the last Democratic President. But don’t let a little thing like facts get in your way. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845/160 "2008-06-24T02:23:31Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] Really? Oddly enough, my mail delivery is swift and reliable. [/QUOTE] I’m continually amazed that I can get a letter across the country, reliably, in just a few days, for less than half a buck. Our postal system kicks ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-his-kool-aid-drinking-puppets/453845.md?page=9)