# I pit Obama and Holder

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-holder/492538>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [April 9, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-holder/492538 "2009-04-09T17:47:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![bsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@bsane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bsane)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-holder/492538/1 "2009-04-09T17:47:57Z")

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> **[In Warrantless Wiretapping Case, Obama DOJ's New Arguments Are Worse Than Bush's](https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush)**
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> We had hoped this would go differently. Friday evening, in a motion to dismiss Jewel v. NSA, EFF's litigation against the National Security Agency for the warrantless wiretapping of countless Americans, the Obama Administration made two deeply...

I voted for Obama primarily because I saw him as an alternative to the Bush administrations hiding behind ‘state secrets’ the last eight years.

He campaigned on the fact that a big problem (one of three listed on his website) with the country was: “Secrecy Dominates Government Actions: The Bush administration has ignored public disclosure rules and has invoked a legal tool known as the “state secrets” privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court.”

Now his DOJ have the balls to make the argument “the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes”.

Fuck that hypocrite, fuck his AG that doesn’t even believe in the Bill of Rights, and dammit fuck myself for believing he actually wanted to change something that mattered.

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**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-holder/492538/2 "2009-04-09T17:59:05Z")

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There’s a [Great Debates thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513303)on this, too, if you’re interested.

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**Author:** ![bsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@bsane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bsane)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-holder/492538/3 "2009-04-09T18:01:56Z")

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Thanks- I missed that somehow.

I was angry enough about this to post for the first time in 4 years :-/

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-obama-and-holder/492538/4 "2009-04-09T19:50:21Z")

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He’s the President now, so he’s going to push to increase Presidential power. It’s what presidents do. Did you really think it would be any different? When he campaigned against the Bush admistration on that, did you really believe him?