# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2408 "2026-07-21T13:57:08Z")
Well… kind of. But once any signficant number of people start using it a new way, it ceases to be useful because you have to start clarifying which meaning you intend each time you use it, and at that point it becomes more trouble than it’s worth. You have to come up with a new specific term, which will last a while before its meaning also erodes. And so it goes. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2409 "2026-07-21T13:59:58Z")
We’re going to have to agree to disagree. I knew exactly what was meant by the term in this context. “The kids” call things ‘fire’ these days as a form of [**approbative**](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/approbative) slang. I can readily distinguish between the colloquialism and an actual conflagration, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2410 "2026-07-21T14:04:17Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > “The kids” call things ‘fire’ these days as a form of **[approbative](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/approbative)** slang Not anymore, they don’t. You’re a few years out of date about what “the kids” are doing. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2411 "2026-07-21T14:30:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > If you’d like to have a discussion about whether people who talk about the chance that Trump will do those things are helping or hurting the cause of empowering Trump, i suggest you start a new thread. And i suggest you frame your question carefully, and think about exactly what actions/words/thoughts you believe are the problem. > > I did that last August. And you failed to get the discussion you wanted, for reasons that have been explained in excessive detail. If you want to have that discussion, i suggest you start over without poisoning the well by doing exactly what you urge others not to do. Try not to insult people who agree with you that Trump is a problem, and instead, respectfully attempt to persuade them of your point. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2412 "2026-07-21T14:57:54Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > No, that’s not what I said at all. As I clearly stated, I’m entirely leaving aside the question of whether the word “hysteria” is automatically offensive/sexist **by virtue of its gender associations**. There can be different opinions about that. > > What I’m trying to get at here is whether you understand the basic fact that **it’s insulting to describe somebody’s considered opinion as “hysteria”** —i.e., as an _irrational, emotion-driven overreaction_— **IRRESPECTIVE of whether or not the word itself is regarded as an intrinsically female-coded misogynistic slur.** As you note there’s two different issues being discussed here. One is whether the word hysteria is inherently offensive, regardless of how it’s used. The other is whether the meaning of the word hysteria is negative. I don’t think anybody uses the word hysteria in a positive sense. I don’t think anyone says something like “I woke up this morning all hysterical” and means it as a good thing. Hysteria is generally bad and being hysterical is generally bad. But now consider another word; racism. If I posted that anybody who’s planning on voting for Republicans in 2026 is supporting racism, this opinion would probably upset people who are planning on voting Republican. They wouldn’t like being accused of racism. They would say that being called racist is insulting and offensive to them. And they’d be right. But does that mean we shouldn’t use the word racism because some people are upset when their behavior is described using that term? I would say no. That’s how I view the use of the word hysteria. It’s a valid word to use to describe negative behavior. To give a counter-example, there’s the word nigger. I don’t think there’s any context (other that an etymological one) where you can use that without the word itself being offensive. If I wrote “Trump’s MAGA supporters are just a bunch of white niggers” people would be justifiably offended by what I wrote even if they were strongly opposed to Trump and MAGA. I don’t feel hysteria is an example of this, even though I am aware of the word’s history. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2413 "2026-07-21T15:16:40Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And you failed to get the discussion you wanted, for reasons that have been explained in excessive detail. If you want to have that discussion, i suggest you start over without poisoning the well by doing exactly what you urge others not to do. Try not to insult people who agree with you that Trump is a problem, and instead, respectfully attempt to persuade them of your point. Let me get this straight. In this thread, people have said I am an asshole, a troll, a nitwit, an idiot, a Nazi, and fucking ignorant. And you feel I’m the one who should be trying not to insult people. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2414 "2026-07-21T15:23:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And you feel I’m the one who should be trying not to insult people. If you are the one who wants to persuade people to do something different, then yes. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2415 "2026-07-21T15:33:53Z")
I should know better than to come back into this trainwreck. But. For one, are you really incapable of seeing that you started a thread purporting to be about why we shouldn’t tick off people who stand a reasonable chance of opposing Trump by using language pretty much guaranteed to piss off people who you know oppose Trump? or do you realize that you did that, and you somehow think it’ll convince posters to agree with you, even though you’re saying that such tactics don’t cause people to agree with you? You’re really not making a hell of a lot of sense here. And for two — yeah, I know about choosing your words. I figured out many years ago that there were people who, if you said “we need to write the zoning code to protect endangered species” would shut right down and never hear anything else you said; but if what you said was “we need to write the zoning code to protect water quality” they would jump right on board with you. Even though the protections you were trying to get in the code were the same protections, because protecting water quality protects habitat. If you’d started a thread saying ‘if you’re talking to potential Trump supporters who are considering opposing him, don’t say he’s going to commit genocide or start a nuclear war. They’ll shut right down, Talk about how he’s screwing up their pocketbooks. That’s the language they can hear’ — you’d have gotten an entirely different reaction. But instead you started by attacking the people you claim to be trying to convince. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2416 "2026-07-21T15:39:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I will also state I am not seeking to upset people, even though I am aware that some of what I’m saying will upset some people. But my goal is to spread what I feel is an important message not to give offense. Just like the friendly person who wants to give me helpful advice…while seated opposite me at the poker table. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2417 "2026-07-21T16:25:55Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > And you feel I’m the one who should be trying not to insult people. > > If you are the one who wants to persuade people to do something different, then yes. Okay, I guess I was too subtle. I have been arguing throughout this thread that you shouldn’t insult people. In support of this argument, I have gone far out of my way to avoid insulting people. Some people have chosen to invent imaginary insults by saying my disagreement with their opinions are insults. Or they have claimed that I am insulting people by using words like genocide, slavery, and hysteria in ways they don’t like. While I have avoided making any insults, that has been a unilateral path. Other people have repeatedly directed insults against me. It doesn’t bother me much. In fact, I tend to see being attacked personally as an unspoken admission that you can’t argue against my position. So when you give me “advice” to do something I’ve already been doing all along, while ignoring all of the people on your side who are breaking the rule you claim to support, I take it about as seriously as I take Donald Trump claiming he wants to defend elections from the Democrats stealing them. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2418 "2026-07-21T16:28:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In support of this argument, I have gone far out of my way to avoid insulting people. You put an insult in the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2419 "2026-07-21T16:36:09Z")
And have been doubling down on it ever since. Even ignoring the history of the word, yes, it’s insulting. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2420 "2026-07-21T16:41:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let me get this straight. In this thread, people have said I am an asshole, a troll, a nitwit, an idiot, a Nazi, and fucking ignorant. And – when used to describe _you_ – not a single one of us finds any of those words to be insulting, derogatory, and offensive. How does your own “logic” feel when turned on you? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2421 "2026-07-21T16:44:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You put an insult in the thread title. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > And have been doubling down on it ever since. > > Even ignoring the history of the word, yes, it’s insulting. > As you note there’s two different issues being discussed here. One is whether the word hysteria is inherently offensive, regardless of how it’s used. The other is whether the meaning of the word hysteria is negative. > > I don’t think anybody uses the word hysteria in a positive sense. I don’t think anyone says something like “I woke up this morning all hysterical” and means it as a good thing. Hysteria is generally bad and being hysterical is generally bad. > > But now consider another word; racism. If I posted that anybody who’s planning on voting for Republicans in 2026 is supporting racism, this opinion would probably upset people who are planning on voting Republican. They wouldn’t like being accused of racism. They would say that being called racist is insulting and offensive to them. And they’d be right. > > But does that mean we shouldn’t use the word racism because some people are upset when their behavior is described using that term? I would say no. > > That’s how I view the use of the word hysteria. It’s a valid word to use to describe negative behavior. > > To give a counter-example, there’s the word nigger. I don’t think there’s any context (other that an etymological one) where you can use that without the word itself being offensive. If I wrote “Trump’s MAGA supporters are just a bunch of white niggers” people would be justifiably offended by what I wrote even if they were strongly opposed to Trump and MAGA. > > I don’t feel hysteria is an example of this, even though I am aware of the word’s history. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2422 "2026-07-21T16:44:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > While I have avoided making any insults You have made broad and nasty insults, as many have pointed out. Your very thread title is an insult. If you don’t see that, you should probably just give up on trying to persuade people. Not your strong point. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2423 "2026-07-21T16:47:23Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > How does your own “logic” feel when turned on you? > It doesn’t bother me much. In fact, I tend to see being attacked personally as an unspoken admission that you can’t argue against my position. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2424 "2026-07-21T16:47:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But does that mean we shouldn’t use the word racism because some people are upset when their behavior is described using that term? I would say no. Okay, but if you want to convince those people of anything, starting a thread that is titled > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > anybody who’s planning on voting for Republicans in 2026 is supporting racism is not going to make any converts. And again, if you don’t understand why that’s a problem, you should probably just give up on trying to persuade anyone of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2425 "2026-07-21T16:56:04Z")
I feel if I had titled this thread “You guys are perfect and everything you’re doing is perfect.” it would have been difficult to follow it up with a post telling them why they need to change. The first step in getting people to stop making a mistake is explaining to them that what they’re doing is a mistake. The problem is for some people, this is also the last step. Tell them they’re making a mistake and they will reject everything you say after that. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2426 "2026-07-21T16:56:53Z")
As i said: > [@puzzlegal](#): > > You should probably just give up on trying to persuade anyone of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/2427 "2026-07-21T16:58:53Z")
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