# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/261 "2025-08-14T13:58:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourself. You’re a fucking moron who blames us because you don’t pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/262 "2025-08-14T14:11:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If you’re calling black people being arrested on their own property genocide, then yes, you are being hysterical. Nobody is saying that. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s right. You can’t do anything about black people being arrested because you’re focusing on the struggle against genocide. Nobody is saying that. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re hoping that Trump and his allies commit genocide because then you’ll be able to say “I told you so”? Nobody is saying that. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourself. …says the serial builder of strawmen, desperately deflecting from how bad things continue to openly get. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/263 "2025-08-14T14:11:25Z")
Perhaps worth reminding you that government authorities do, in fact, routinely and disproportinately kill black people, including children. Black people also die earlier from disease, due in part to institutional racism that means they are more likely to be in poverty, to have their concerns dismissed by health care professionals, to leave school earlier, etc. They have been pointing this out in various ways for centuries. But we wouldn’t want to damage white people’s excellent track record in this area by panicking people with the G-word. Let’s wait until MORE people are killed, instead. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/264 "2025-08-14T14:47:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Nobody is saying that. People are saying these things. But people are also in denial about it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/265 "2025-08-14T14:49:46Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Perhaps worth reminding you that government authorities do, in fact, routinely and disproportinately kill black people, including children. Black people also die earlier from disease, due in part to institutional racism that means they are more likely to be in poverty, to have their concerns dismissed by health care professionals, to leave school earlier, etc. > > They have been pointing this out in various ways for centuries. But we wouldn’t want to damage white people’s excellent track record in this area by panicking people with the G-word. Let’s wait until MORE people are killed, instead. Yes, discrimination against black people is a very real problem. And I’m the guy who’s been saying that we should be devoted our efforts towards fighting real problems like discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/266 "2025-08-14T14:59:26Z")
Here, let me help you out a bit. Trump directly wants genocide! The Republicans, all of them, want genocide! The Democrats want genocide! Meatpackers want genocide! Underwear manufacturers want genocide! Fruitpickers want genocide! The town of Pasadena wants genocide (the whole town, not just elected officials)! Gerbils want genocide! There you go-a direct link you can now reference the next time you try to bring this topic up. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/267 "2025-08-14T14:59:52Z")
Let’s talk excluded middle for a second. Black people in America are also **literally and disproportionately killed by authorities**. [List of unarmed African Americans killed by law enforcement officers in the United States - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States) for example. Discrimination is a real problem, sure. Very annoying. But what about the people actually being killed? There is a large number of deaths in this culture, all out of proportion to their numbers as a percentage of the population. You don’t want to call the deaths of those people at the hands of civil authorities “genocide,” because I guess there aren’t enough of them to hit your threshold. But do you acknowledge that this problem exists? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/268 "2025-08-14T15:19:16Z")
I don’t think they’re here to fight a real battle. They’re here to muddy the waters with fake battles as a distraction. Remember the extremely vague and multilayered responses I got from them when I asked for just three _specific_ things we should be concentrating on? ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/269 "2025-08-14T17:34:05Z")
Langston Hughes noted in the 1930s "Yes, we Negroes of America do not have to be told what fascism is in action. We know. Its theories of Nordic supremacy and economic suppression have long been realities to us. And now we view it on a world scale.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/270 "2025-08-14T17:38:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Remember the extremely vague and multilayered responses I got from them when I asked for just three _specific_ things we should be concentrating on? To be fair, the concentration camps will be less comfortable if we do nothing about global warming. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/271 "2025-08-14T17:40:52Z")
On the other hand, sending out ballot forms will be much easier if everyone lives in concentration camps, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/272 "2025-08-14T20:39:19Z")
Gavin Newsome holds a press conference to announce movement towards redistricting in California, and Trump’s personal paramilitary aka ICE show up outside to intimidate. But it’s probably nothing, thinking it’s a prelude to use of force against Democratic state governments is obviously over-the-top anti-Trump hysteria. > **[Tina-Desiree Berg (@tinadesireeberg.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/tinadesireeberg.com/post/3lwezfwqqyk2x)** > > Gavin Newsom is holding a press conference today on redistricting and DHS agents have arrived masked up and in full gear. Many are armed with guns. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/273 "2025-08-14T20:42:29Z")
Not just intimidation. If they were told to arrest everyone, up to and including the Governor, they would be ready and willing to do so, no questions asked. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/274 "2025-08-14T23:33:51Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Discrimination is a real problem, sure. Very annoying. But what about the people actually being killed? There is a large number of deaths in this culture, all out of proportion to their numbers as a percentage of the population. You don’t want to call the deaths of those people at the hands of civil authorities “genocide,” because I guess there aren’t enough of them to hit your threshold. But do you acknowledge that this problem exists? Yes, of course I acknowledge this problem exists. I have said so repeatedly in this thread. It’s the kind of real world problem that we should be fighting. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust was genocide. The Holodomor was genocide. The killings in Rwanda was genocide. The killings in Darfur was genocide. The killings in Armenia was genocide. The killings in Bosnia was genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/275 "2025-08-14T23:41:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I don’t think they’re here to fight a real battle. They’re here to muddy the waters with fake battles as a distraction. Remember the extremely vague and multilayered responses I got from them when I asked for just three _specific_ things we should be concentrating on? Fighting fake battles is your problem not mine. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. I asked you a question over a week ago. You haven’t been able to provide an answer yet. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/276 "2025-08-14T23:53:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But it’s not genocide. There are, however, reasonable people who disagree, and provide evidence. I’m not disagreeing with you (not my area of expertise), but perhaps take a cursory look at the counterargument. Either you are wrong and it is genocide, or else you are not wrong about that, but you are wrong about the ability to motivate people to change by exaggerated / dystopian-future claims, notably by making use of the accusation of genocide / on-the-road-to-genocide. > **[Black genocide in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_genocide_in_the_United_States)** > > In the United States, black genocide is a historiographical framework and rhetorical term used to analyze the past and present impact of systemic racism on African Americans by both the United States government and white Americans. The decades of lynchings and long-term racial discrimination were first formally described as genocide by a now-defunct organization, the Civil Rights Congress, in a petition which it submitted to the United Nations in 1951. In the 1960s, Malcolm X accused the US gover... ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/277 "2025-08-14T23:56:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But it’s not genocide. At what point do we get your permission to call it genocide? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/278 "2025-08-15T00:16:49Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > At what point do we get your permission to call it genocide? You don’t need my permission. You can call it genocide if you wish. You can also call it the restoration of slavery if you wish. You can even call the way black people are being discriminated against and killed nuclear war if you wish. My point is not to tell people what they can and cannot say. My point is that if you are in opposition to Trump and the Republicans, you might choose to say things one way rather than another because you find one way of saying things more believable to the people you are trying to convince. This is what I wrote in the OP: > He is both evil and stupid. He is a terrible human being and he is the worst President this country has ever had. He, along with the Republican party, are trying to destroy democracy. He has committed numerous serious crimes and should be in prison. Now think about it. If you’re not convincing me to join in with the “Trump is committing genocide” group, how do you think that argument is doing with other people who are coming from a less anti-Trump starting point that I am? And now ask yourself what does it mean to oppose Trump and the Republicans? Does it mean doing the work of convincing people that we should be getting Trump and the Republicans out of office? Or does it mean gathering with a circle of like-minded friends and telling each other how you hate Trump more than everyone else hates Trump? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/279 "2025-08-15T00:20:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You don’t need my permission. Can you answer the fucking question? AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME GENOCIDE? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/280 "2025-08-15T01:05:00Z")
Genocide is when you try to eliminate a group by killing off the members of that group. It derives from the words genos, which means a race of people, and caedere, which means killing. It’s the killing of a race of people. Targeting people of a particular race, like the lynchings of black people, is not genocide. The lynch mobs were killing some black people in order to intimidate the overall black population; they were not seeking to kill the entire black population. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=15)