# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/281 "2025-08-15T01:13:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Genocide is when you try to eliminate a group by killing off the members of that group. That’s what I thought. You won’t call it genocide until they start the murder machines and it’s too fucking late to do anything. And my money is on you blaming it all on the premature anti-genocidists who were paying more attention to the writing on the wall then they were to global fucking warming. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/282 "2025-08-15T01:18:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My point is not to tell people what they can and cannot say. 🤔 > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Now think about it. If you’re not convincing me to join in with the “Trump is committing genocide” group, how do you think that argument is doing with other people who are coming from a less anti-Trump starting point that I am? A long time ago, I learned that religion has vary bad “features” and I do know that there are extremists that do want to end organized religion, they are not making a reasonable argument, what is reasonable is to take the advise that I also learned a long time ago: I’m of the mind that religion will remain for a long time with humanity, but the mission for all more secular people is to ensure that religion _remains_ benevolent overall. So, no, I’m not betting that I or others will convince you. Only that you need to remain in the fight regardless of hyperbole. For others, I do notice that [Trump has already killed a lot of mostly Black people in Africa or Hispanics in Latin America](https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/media/som/news/news-logos/BU-researcher-warns-of-367,000-deaths-from-halted-USAID-programs_.pdf), yes, a particular race. It is not hysterical to point that out, it is also not hysterical to notice that to prevent more of that, to prevent it from becoming a full genocide, we do have to confront the evil that is here now. Whereas it is a fascist cosplayer genocide or a serious one, one has to fight against the evil doers, not fight about semantics. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/283 "2025-08-15T01:22:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > For others, I do notice that [Trump has already killed a lot of mostly Black people in Africa or Hispanics in Latin America](https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/media/som/news/news-logos/BU-researcher-warns-of-367,000-deaths-from-halted-USAID-programs_.pdf), yes, a particular race. Is it really genocide if we’re only killing a few of them not by direct means? /endbittersarcasm ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/284 "2025-08-15T01:31:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So, no, I’m not betting that I or others will convince you. Only that you need to remain in the fight regardless of hyperbole. I am in the fight and have no intention of dropping out. But I’m talking about the real world fight. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/285 "2025-08-15T01:36:50Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > That’s what I thought. You won’t call it genocide until they start the murder machines and it’s too fucking late to do anything. You’re wrong again. I’m opposing Trump and the Republicans now and have been for years. I oppose them because they’re weakening civil rights protection and voting rights. I don’t need genocide as a reason to oppose somebody. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/286 "2025-08-15T01:36:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My point is not to tell people what they can and cannot say. That is the whole fucking point of this thread, isn’t it? Son of a bitch!! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/287 "2025-08-15T01:37:15Z")
If the real world fight for you is to discourage others from using hyperbole, that has been effective with many on the fences in the real world (Really, this is not the time to prevent the use of a tool that as I pointed out, has a lot of truth on its side). Then I think you only need to adjust your “Grammar Nazi” 🙂 dial just a bit down. Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/288 "2025-08-15T01:39:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That is the whole fucking point of this thread, isn’t it? No it hasn’t been and it still isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/289 "2025-08-15T01:40:07Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Now think about it. If you’re not convincing me to join in with the “Trump is committing genocide” group, how do you think that argument is doing with other people who are coming from a less anti-Trump starting point that I am? It seems to me that the only person not convincing anyone of their point of view, _or_ their sincerity, is you. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/290 "2025-08-15T01:41:23Z")
To correct the original poster, given the non-consecutive nature of his terms, trump is actually the worst _two_ presidents. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/291 "2025-08-15T02:05:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It seems to me that the only person not convincing anyone of their point of view, _or_ their sincerity, is you. I doubt this is the case. I’m sure there are some people who have read what I’ve written and considered my points. I like to think I’ve convinced some of them that dialing it back a notch might be a more effective way to oppose Trump and the Republicans. But I never imagined I would convince everybody. And it should be obvious that the people who will never be convinced are the ones still arguing with me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/292 "2025-08-15T02:07:06Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > To correct the original poster, given the non-consecutive nature of his terms, trump is actually the worst _two_ presidents. A good point. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/293 "2025-08-15T02:09:04Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I like to think I’ve convinced some of them that dialing it back a notch might be a more effective way to oppose Trump and the Republicans. And I like to think that Trump will be impeached and imprisoned within a year…but no way in hell do I tell people that it is possible, let alone probable. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/294 "2025-08-15T02:11:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I like to think I’ve convinced some of them that dialing it back a notch might be a more effective way to oppose Trump and the Republicans. Highly unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/295 "2025-08-15T02:20:19Z")
He said _might be_, and therefore his statement is true. It isn’t, but it might be. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/296 "2025-08-15T08:49:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > People are saying these things. But people are also in denial about it. You certainly are. Saying these things, I mean. I’m sure trying out the “You guys think _everything_ is genocide” argument must be quite attractive. That said, the whole history of the treatment of black people in America is a whole other horrorshow. I’m more concerned about the _new_ genocides currently under development. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The Holocaust was genocide. And lots of actual Holocaust scholars have been pointing out that we are on the path to another one. Again - THERE ARE ALREADY CAMPS. Your “it’s just sparkling mass murder” argument is not compelling. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Now think about it. If you’re not convincing me to join in with the “Trump is committing genocide” group, how do you think that argument is doing with other people who are coming from a less anti-Trump starting point that I am? I refer you to my earlier post: > [@Gyrate](#): > > We are also seeing in this thread the deliberate conflation of two different debates: > > 1. Whether the US is on the path to literal genocide > 2. If it is, how to convince people of this. > > The first is about acknowledging reality. The second is about messaging. They are not the same, and jumping to 2) to avoid conceding 1) is a bullshit argument. > > We see the same thing with the MAGA threads - someone points out that MAGAs are delusional people acting against their best interests and someone else will jump in with “Good luck winning elections with that!”. Which is a _different thing_. > > Blaming people for failing to convince those that refuse to acknowledge reality doesn’t change that reality. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t need genocide as a reason to oppose somebody. You don’t. But we’d like you to at least acknowledge reality. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/297 "2025-08-15T12:35:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The Holocaust was genocide. The Holodomor was genocide. The killings in Rwanda was genocide. The killings in Darfur was genocide. The killings in Armenia was genocide. The killings in Bosnia was genocide. Gosh, I wonder why you didn’t mention Cambodia. Psych! OK, Gaza too. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/298 "2025-08-15T17:18:05Z")
You are not convincing me. I would have never imagined that this country could crumble into the absolute shit show it is in such a short time. Here we are though. We have concentration camps, people being snatched off the streets by masked “law enforcement.” Thousands of black and brown people have been deliberately dispossed, 100s killed, _because they are black or brown;_ this has all been orchestrated and deliberate. Genocide is almost a nice description of the evil machinations of trump, miller, and this facist, clown gang in the Whitehouse. I think perhaps you are not taking this mess seriously enough. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/299 "2025-08-15T18:58:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Gosh, I wonder why you didn’t mention Cambodia. Psych! OK, Gaza too. I didn’t mention Cambodia because it’s a rather bizarre example of a genocide. Genocides usually occur when one group targets a different group for extermination. But in the late seventies, the Cambodians decided to exterminate the Cambodians. As for Gaza, I didn’t want to open that topic up here. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/300 "2025-08-15T19:00:56Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Genocide is almost a nice description of the evil machinations of trump, miller, and this facist, clown gang in the Whitehouse. It’s almost as if the word genocide has lost its ability to move people due to it being overused. Somebody should start a thread on that problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=16)